Need some advice on co-witnessing my AR

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I need some advice on co-witnessing, and whether I can even do it under my particular circumstances.

I have a flat-top AR with a Mapgul plastic folding BUIS and a Midwest Industries gas block folding front sight. I sighted them in a few months ago, and later on I added a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot, mounted in between the two (of course.) The red dot is going to be my primary sight. I’m using the gun for fun shooting, and maybe home defense if the need really arose. But I am not shipping out to Syria with it.

If I had my druthers, I would like to “co-witness” the iron sights; that is, when I flip them up, I‘d like to see them roughly through the center of the red dot sight when it’s turned off. I do not care if the sights exactly align with the red dot, just so they are roughly in the center of the glass.

My problem is that currently, when I flip them up, they are barely visible through the top of the red dot glass.

Obviously, I could raise the red dot and resolve the issue. But I don’t want do, as I like the cheek weld I have now with it.

So then I thought, “I’ll lower the rear sight aperture and raise up the front sight post, and that will move the whole iron sight picture down, toward the center of the red dot glass.”

But the more I think about it, that makes no sense and won’t work.

BTW, the red dot has a UTG mount that is “semi quick release,” so in a real situation I can still remove it by hand.

What do you guys think? Is there a way to get the iron sights to cowitness with my red dot?

Thanks
 
I used UTG fold ups with the TRS-25 mounted on the higher mount on a S&W M&P-15 Optics Ready, and they co-witness perfectly. My cheek weld is higher, but it works for me!
 
Sounds like your optic is mounted too low. Plain and simple.

Question: are your irons zeroed?
If so, you need a riser for your optic.

If your irons aren't matched, then it's back to square one first.
 
Yes, the irons are zeroed (I assume this is also what you mean by "matched."). Basically I bought the irons first, mounted them, and zeroed them. Then later on, I bought the red dot and tried some different risers for it, and ended up with a lower riser. When I was trying different height risers, I never was thinking about cowitnessing (didn't even know what it meant), and just picked the riser that felt best with the red dot. I just figured, "if the red dot ever goes, I'll just release it and go to the irons."
Then I started reading about cowitnessing and thought, "it would be nice if I could see the irons through the red dot, just in case, and then I would never need to release the red dot."
But I think to your point, if that's what I want, I need a higher riser.
 
If you want to do it right, get the correct riser. Pulling the mount off and flipping up the rear sight takes time. You never know when seconds are going to count.

Personally I run a lower 1/3 with a fixed rear Daniel Defense sight. If my optics ever fail, I just drop my cheek weld ever so slightly and I'm looking down my irons in less than a second.

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I know my Aimpoint PRO mount came with a removable spacer specifically meant for the high sights of the AR-15. Maybe Bushnell makes a spacer to properly co-witness your Irons.
 
I know my Aimpoint PRO mount came with a removable spacer specifically meant for the high sights of the AR-15. Maybe Bushnell makes a spacer to properly co-witness your Irons.

The spacer provided with the Pro mount gives a sight picture right in between absolute and lower 1/3rd. If you want a true 1/3rd, I highly recommend the ADM mount. You can find them used for $85 and you can sell your Pro mount for $65. It's definitely worth the $20 upgrade.

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Personally I run a lower 1/3 with a fixed rear Daniel Defense sight. If my optics ever fail, I just drop my cheek weld ever so slightly and I'm looking down my irons in less than a second.

Same here. I have a DD and a MBUS on different rifles, both 1/3 co-witness.
 
As people above have said, and as you also want, it's best to have the "co-witness" done through the red dot tube. It needs about a 1" spacer from the flattop.

I have an Aimpoint T1 red dot on mine and can use it or the irons easily. The red dot is perfectly centered just above the iron sights point of aim.
 
I agree that you need to raise your RDS. I use the UTG riser linked below to get a bottom 1/3 cowitness with my TRS-25. Sounds like you have the shortest UTG riser. They also have one in the middle that I assume will give you an absolute cowitness (which you said you want). I wouldn't go messing with the height of your irons, sounds like you'll be in for grief.

BTW, I bought the UTG as a test expecting to get something better but have been impressed with the quality. No rezeroing after use or even pulling off the riser and remounting. Same goes for the TRS-25, I didn't expect it to work out but it has. In fact I got another along with the UTG mount.

http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Profile-R...UTF8&qid=1371318027&sr=8-2&keywords=utg+riser
 
The spacer provided with the Pro mount gives a sight picture right in between absolute and lower 1/3rd. If you want a true 1/3rd, I highly recommend the ADM mount. You can find them used for $85 and you can sell your Pro mount for $65. It's definitely worth the $20 upgrade.

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Thank you for the info. Jesster, I will look the mount up.
 
Thanks all. I'm going to order the UGT medium and high risers, and will see which it best. I'm pretty sure the medium will suffice.
 
Thanks all. I'm going to order the UGT medium and high risers, and will see which it best. I'm pretty sure the medium will suffice.

If you have flip BUIS's then yes, the medium will be fine. It should give you an absolute co-witness.

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Yes, the UTG medium riser (0.75") should give you absolute cowitness. But you may find, as I did, you like the 1" riser and lower 1/3.
 
I am using a Primary Arms Micro Dot and flip up sights on my AR57 upper and a TRS-25 with fixed sights on my 5.56 upper. I am using the UTG high (1 inch) riser on both uppers for a 1/3 co-witness. I usually leave the sights up on the 5.7 upper. Like others stated, it doesn't take but a split second to change cheak weld to go from RDS to iron sights.
 
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