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Is s&w still making the sigma series?

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if you buy the sigma,look up warranty service.tell them crappy trigger,they will fix for free

Sort of. You have to tell them the trigger is gritty. And they'll smooth it out. They will not lighten it on purpose, and they won't touch it if you just tell them "it's too heavy".
 
As Smalls said call S&W tell them trigger is gritty. (A true statement. ) . When you get it back install a spring kit from Apex as Walkalong suggested. Then go have some fun! Remember to hang on to some ammunition for your next trip to the range!
 
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I traded for a SW VE 40 at a gun show last spring. Was told later it was new version of Sigma and noticed rear sight had been moved all the way to the right, a sign of hard pull. The pull is hard but I got used to it and groups aren't too bad. Love the 14+1, reliability, ease of take down, rail and feel. Are these still being made?
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I've heard Sigma's had awful triggers.....true? Did they ever correct that? I had a S&W Model 59 that I sold because I couldn't stand the trigger.

The original SIGMAs had a lot of problems -- not just triggers -- including a major lawsuit from Glock, which led to a number of S&W changes (due to patent infringements, I think.)

In the past year or two I've read several comments from owners saying that S&W will work on the triggers, if asked, and the results are pretty good. If I were to stumble across one at a low-enough price, I might pick one up. They seem to basically be Glocks made by S&W. (I know that's oversimplifying, but probably more true than false.)
 
The knock against the SIGMA has always centered around the trigger being very heavy, and the early models had a proprietary light rail. The light rail was changed a model or so back, and the current model has taken some tips from M&P line-up to improve the trigger slightly. They are still somewhat of a crude Glock knockoff, but at a lower price point, with generally better ergonomics, and a size that somewhat splits the difference between the G17 and G19.

The SIGMA's reputation has always been of an inexpensive, reliable, but crude, pistol. I consider it comparable to the Ruger P95 with which it shares a price category. The SIGMA is for those that want a striker fired pistol at that price point, while the P95 appealed to those looking for a hammer and safety.
 
Interesting... Got the following notice by email, but the message referenced isn't on the forum in this exact form. Edited after posting? Try not to offend?

JTQ said:
I don't think it could be accurately stated the "original SIGMA had a lot of problems", forum member *mljdeckard*'s pistol notwithstanding. The knock against the SIGMA has always centered around the trigger being very heavy...

You're right: I overstated the "problems" a bit -- as there weren't really any BIG technical/production problems that I can recall. The problems were of a different nature:

1) the triggers sucked, as everyone understood,

2) there little or no after-market support,

3) a number of unfounded rumors about the gun's short projected service life, especially for the small 9mm model;

4) the fact that it quacked like a Glock, waddled like a Glock, and looked like a Glock, without the Glock's magic marketing machine behind it, and

5) it just didn't appeal to many folks (except a few folks looking for a low-cost handgun who didn't understand what they were getting). The S&W brand name probably convinced most buyers that the guns couldn't be that bad -- but you could later find the guns dirt cheap, seemingly ANIB.

Of course there was the major Glock lawsuit, which S&W apparently lost and paid for big time. (Hard to get details, however, but that may have been a bigger problem than the trigger.)

At the time, one guy familiar with the guns me the the early S&W slides would fit and function on a Glock frame. He may have been pulling my leg, but if not, you gotta wonder...

With a much better trigger, the SD might suit more folks than does a Glock, as the grip angle seems better for many shooters. As noted, what I've read here and on other forums is that if you send the guns back to S&W, they'll do a very nice (free) trigger job, and your costs are one-way shipping. (Try to get a good trigger job done locally for that little money.)
 
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Walt Sherrill said:
3) a number of unfounded rumors about the gun's short projected service life, especially for the small 9mm model
That rumor did get a lot of traction in the whisper mill. It was a matter of a little bit of truth contaminating the whole pool.

The truth was that the .380ACP (9x17mm; 9mm Kurtz) model had a design life expectancy of 2500 rounds. While that sounds like they went cheap, I would guess that 90% of .380 pistols, in this country, never see the high side of 500 rounds in their lifetime and 99% never see 1k rounds
 
The truth was that the .380ACP (9x17mm; 9mm Kurtz) model had a design life expectancy of 2500 rounds.

The other side of this particular coin is that when a gun maker chooses to cite a design life expectancy (i.e., round count), they almost always pick a number that is much lower than what will be experienced. (And I doubt that it would have affected warranty service or coverage, for that matter...)
 
I've got one of the new SD's in .40S&W. They're good guns. Mine has trouble with American Eagle ammo but I'm convinced that ammo is out of spec as I've fired hundreds of rounds of various other stuff through the gun with no issues. Trigger is heavy-ish out of the box (about 8 lbs), but the main thing to get used to is that the pull is just very long. I put the Apex springs in mine which reduced the pull weight but its still a long pull.

Still, the gun is functional and accurate. Despite owning a lot of other (better, more expensive) handguns I still consider the SD's an incredible value.
 
The other side of this particular coin is that when a gun maker chooses to cite a design life expectancy (i.e., round count), they almost always pick a number that is much lower than what will be experienced. (And I doubt that it would have affected warranty service or coverage, for that matter...)
I should have said "Stated Design Life"...I'm also sure the gun would be perfectly safe to ~4k rounds
 
The Sigma line is in its 3rd generation - SD40VE & SD9VE. Lighter & smoother trigger & standard rail.

The SD9 & SD40 (also 3rd gen) had night sights but now discontinued. The 2nd gen SW40VE & SW9VE had heavy long triggers and non-standard rails. The 1st gen SW40F & SW9F and its variants had 4.5" barrels, no rails, and 1 extra round than 2nd & 3rd gen.
 
I had a Sigma 9F, and I liked it. Very reasonably priced and fun to shoot. Also, it took a 17-round magazine when the other pistols of the time were limited to 15-round magazines.

Ignore the snobbery and enjoy your new Sigma! :)
 
Never could understand why anybody would buy a Stigma, when a sharp stick to stick yourself in the eye with is so much cheaper and more reliable.

I bought one because of comments like this on forums like this. I wanted to see for myself how bad they were.

It wasn't that bad. I had a few malfunctions with a box of my own reloads, the very first box of 9mm ammo I'd ever reloaded (light powder charge), but after that it worked just fine. The trigger wasn't all that bad to an old revolver shooter like me. I've shot worse. I liked the feel of the gun a lot better than I did my wifes Glock 19 or my XD-9.

I sold it when I decided to reduce my inventory. I'm not a semi-auto guy, so it was expendable, but I liked the gun. I sold it for more than I paid for it, which is a good deal.
 
The SD9 & SD40 (also 3rd gen) had night sights but now discontinued.

One important note is that the SD series (but not the earlier Sigmas) takes the exact same sights as the S&W M&P. However in their stock configs the SDVE series has a polymer rear sight and the M&P has a steel rear (both have steel front sights).

I don't much mind the plastic guide rod but I wasn't a fan of the polymer rear sight. Luckily I had an M&P rear sight left over from when I upgraded the stock sights on my M&P so I just put that on my SD, but even if you just want to buy the part a factory M&P rear sight is less than $15. Its a cheap upgrade if you don't like the polymer sights.
 
One of the reasons I bought mine (first gen, .40,) was because I read an article where they ran 100,000 rounds through it. The only problem they had was that the slide stop spring broke, they continued to run it without it.

I know my gun was just one, but at the same time.....it's a real experience. I don't know why we should be GLAD S&W eventually figured it out, when S&W used us as their R&D pool to expose the errors of the gun.
 
Onward Allusion wrote,
The Sigma line is in its 3rd generation - SD40VE & SD9VE. Lighter & smoother trigger & standard rail.

The SD9 & SD40 (also 3rd gen) had night sights but now discontinued. The 2nd gen SW40VE & SW9VE had heavy long triggers and non-standard rails. The 1st gen SW40F & SW9F and its variants had 4.5" barrels, no rails, and 1 extra round than 2nd & 3rd gen.
Good post.

Wasn't there a generation after the 4.5" barreled version and before the VE series? For Walt, forgetting about the initial 4.5" barreled versions was the reason I modified my earlier post.
 
Yes, there were variants before the SWxxVE series. IIRC, there were 1st gens with 4" barrels that also came in other colors. I remember seeing a gray one.

Then of course, who can forget the subcompact 1st gen sigmas in .380 and 9mm. I can't remember if those had any major issues but I do remember being in a Sports Authority in Gurnee, IL and asking about one. The gun counter guy rolled his eyes and warned me to stay away from 'em. I think the sub compact 380 is semi collectible nowadays. I am still looking for my elusive 2nd gen Sigma chambered in .357 Sig. (oh, I never did listen to the Sports Authority guy...ended up with 6 of 'em) :eek:
 
I would like to thank all of you who passed on the knowledge you had of this line of pistols. Its helping me understand the order of models & generations of this line. This is why I come here is to learn. Any other information that has been left out, please throw it out for us! Than have fun shooting that SIGMA OR S.D. OR SWOCK! THEY ARE GOOD PISTOLS! Thanks k.:)
 
I have a S&W SD9, the version that is no longer made. I like the pistol a lot and considered it a steal at $399 with the standard light rail, melonited slide, front night sight and steel M&P rear sight.
Between me and a buddy it has around 1,500 flawless rounds through it, and it conceals well enough but normally stays bed side with a Streamlight TRL-1 for home defense. With the front night sight and the TRL-1, it makes a perfect pistol for checking out "bumps" in the night.

Glocks are great guns, but don't feel natural in my hand. I much prefer the ergonomics of the SD. I have always been a S&W fan anyway so the SD fits right in.;)
 
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