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I am not planning anything, and don't see there was a need for the accusation. I was asking about the terminal ballistics of 2 cartridges specifically at shorter ranges than are generally discussed for rifle cartridges. If this is an inappropriate topic, I am happy for a moderator to delete...

Bad guys, ie, people shooting at me. Its an unlikely scenario, but not an impossible scenario.

yes the intent of my question would be that the adversary is not wearing body armor. They also do not have access to a Bradley fighting vehicle.

Ruger Mini thirty would be about 3 pounds lighter than a M1A.

The tests I have seen show less than 10" penetration in gel.

No opposition to the rounds that could defeat your barrier test. I generally am going to want to should a couple hundred rounds of a particular ammo through a gun before I decide if its reliable. That could get costly with the ammo you mention, I would think, and that ammo can be hard to...

The majority of the rounds in the test that penetrate enough don't hardly expand. In my mind, its not worth the risk of getting a jam.

The problem with 380 hollow points is that if they expand, they usually don't penetrate enough. I prefer penetration to expansion. I agree with other that the XTP is one of the better hollow point designs for 380. It doesn't expand much though. I generally carry FMJ in 380. I want plenty of...

Property defense.

No doubt 7.62 NATO is superior to x39. That is not what I was asking. The question is, how much difference will it make at 100 or 150 yds. I was trying to be very specific with the question so the thread wouldnt go off on a tangent. To phrase a little more clearly, if you knew that you would...

I dont doubt you are right, but my question was really about close range... 150 yds or less.

The question is not the numbers. I agree they are all better with 308. The question is, will it make a difference. A nuke is better than 500 pounds of TNT. Drop either on me and I am dead.

Certain magazines are more of a commodity than others. Buy them cheap and stack them deep. Glock 9mm magazines are one example. During the Clinton assault weapon ban years, new pre ban Glock magazines sold for $100 or more each. I won't be going through that again.

Yes, I would agree. But will it really make a difference? 7.62x39 is already a formidable cartridge. Is 7.62x51, even though more powerful, really going to cause more wounding or more rapid incapacitation at short ranges?

Helpful, but not always applicable.

7.62x51 has longer range, flatter trajectory, more energy, and more accurate than 7.62x39. None of those things are my question. My question is, at ranges less than 150 yards, how much difference would there be in wounding characteristics against human adversaries for these 2 cartridges?

I am alive and well.

100-150 yards is all i care about. What kind of optic, if any, do you have on your Mini?

I am thinking about trading a rifle I never shoot plus some cash for a new Ruger Mini Thirty. The rifle I am thinking of trading is a Savage Model 10 308 Win bolt action with a heavy barrel. It is an accurate, and I really find no fault with it, other than I never shoot it. Probably havent...

All of which would have still been the case had she fought the case and lost. Pleading guilty saved her some money though.