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yeah im glad im not married yet! i am steadly trying to round out my collection befor i get my self in that deep but i already find my self saying this is the last one and it never is hopefully my significant other will be some what understanding,,, i pretty much have the bases coverd but there will always be one more i want i like my 243 and think it will serve me well as it fits in the gap i needed it too
 
Just prefrence though as I have killed a few deer with a 223 but those were head shots. Now I have the 50-90 sharps I wonder how well that will work?
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I'm going out on a limb here but regarding the headshot I would guess it will work about the same as before.
 
Hmmm. You and Rangeruck and Mr. Weatherby may be onto something there, RC.
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There is a little blurb in Hatcher's Notebook about all the Army experts scratching their heads when they discovered the then new .220 Swift would shoot through more armor plate then a 30-06.

rcmodel
 
Have you shot anything other than paper?

To few people actually have observed the damage their weapon can do on anything more than paper.
 
"There is a little blurb in Hatcher's Notebook about all the Army experts scratching their heads when they discovered the then new .220 Swift would shoot through more armor plate then a 30-06
."


RC ! Shhhhh! Gotta be careful whatchu say 'bout de thutty-snot-six 'roun here !
Same wid Miltary 'Telligence !

:D
 
Can I ask what the hate is for the .30-06? Every thread you post in at some point or another has a sarcastic remark about the .30 calibers and more specifically the 06. I can see having a more suitable round for your shooting. The 30-06 isn't for every application. Still it has a long history that people enjoy and is a round people enjoy using. What is wrong with that? What other person goes around bad mouthing an entire bullet diameter and more specifically a single chambering in so many threads? Love whatever round you want. Enjoy shooting whatever round you want. Why do you need to constantly insult those who enjoy something else? There is more than one chambering because people like different rounds for different reasons. Why do you repeatedly have to state why your round is the only round for every application when clearly others like something else?

EDIT: I reread this and it came across meanly. That wasn't the point, or at least the vast majority of it. I really want to know what you have so dead set against the .30 caliber. I can and do see the merits of the .243 and own one I enjoy shooting, both at paper and varmints. I just don't see why a day with the .30 instead would be a bad thing. A day shooting is a good day.
 
The folks who say bad things about the 30-06 have more then likely never owned or shot one.

Just ignore them.

They don't know what they are talking about!

rcmodel
 
Some people are unable to enjoy what they own without demeaning others.


A quest for a smug sense of superiority is not something most confident folks would endeavor.

If you spoke true to what you just posted... you would not regale the members here with your tales of the '30-ought-shawneeism' and save your divinations for inexperienced hunters who find themselves enrolled in a classroom with someone who has never seen a once in a lifetime trophy trot out of sight.... declining to offer a perfect broadside shot.. and pausing long enough to offer a quartering away shot through a lot of muscle and ribs... before disappearing forever.

Preach on.... if that cures what ails you.
 
I believe that if you research that deep enough,you'll find that your bullet actually melted the steel,due to the rapid deceleration & transfer of energy.
There was a time when I thought that penetrating steel could be somewhat equated to "soft tissue" penetratration..But it just aint so...
 
Considering that .243 is a necked down .308, and that .308 was made to get 30-06 performance in a shorter case, not much surprise that it will penetrate like that. Think of it as a 1950s 30-06 necked down to .6mm (because that is what it is)more than "a bit bigger than a .22cal bullet).
 
Steel penetration has nothing at all to do with ft/lb of energy.

It is all about speed.
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Back in the days before chronographs wildcatters and other ballistics experimenters used steel penetration, in comparison to factory cartridge steel penetration, to estimate the velocity of their creations.


Another thread with photos:
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2369047/
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"Steel penetration has nothing at all to do with ft/lb of energy.

It is all about speed. "

I dissagree. 8mm mauser penetrates deeper into steel plate than 30-06. 30-06 is faster...slightly. Both were military FMJ when I was playing around with the two calibers.
 
More energy probably, but are you implying it will act as a bullet?
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Actually it's got a little less energy. What it does have is several times the momentum and frontal area. And of course it won't penetrate like a bullet.

I brought it up to illustrate the point that kinetic energy isn't the be all and end all. A lot of old black powder cartridges and muzzle loaders developed very little kinetic energy by today's standards, but they made up for it with big, heavy projectiles that developed a lot of momentum.
 
Don't shoot at steel plate!

The one time I decided to fire at steel plate (5/8"), I used a .270 Win from over 50 yards standing. Around the 5th shot, one came back, penetrated a coat, 2 shirts, a pair of Carhardt overalls, and went into my side below the ribs, about an inch penetration, and then burned the living hell out of me. I had a massive bruise and nice hole from a fully expanded 150 grain that entered me sideways.
 
Inch of penetration? ouch. HOpe your like me and you have an inch or more of fat on your mid section.
 
1,629 ft./lbs
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You could view it another way...

Let's see, in Lewis and Clarke's day, with a standard charge of about 120 Gr. of FFg you could push a plain 'ol .530" lead roundball about 1980 fps in the 54 Cal muzzleloaders they had. It shot a 230 Gr Roundball, at that velocity, it's about 2009 Ft./Lbs.

So, what is so special about the .243's power? It seems .243 Win can't equal the power, or effectiveness on larger game, that Lewis and Clark had with early muzzleloaders.

But Shawnee, you can start a dozen threads to try and convince others, and yourself, that your .243 is the best thing since sliced bread.

.243 is a nice cartridge, don't let all those who say they're just for kids or women hunters convince you otherwise. The only real truth from the naysayers is that 6mm Remington is a much better cartridge designed to fill the same niche. :neener:
 
Yep,
Had Rem. increased the twist on the original .244,the .243 Win. may not even be available in factory loads.
 
I once saw a piece of steel plate (forgot the thickness). It had been shot with .30-06 ball, .308 ball and other high power ctgs. It was also shot with a .50 cal muzzeloader with a t/c lead bullet. The .50 cal was the only projectile that penetrated the plate. I was amazed.
 
Stevie-Ray,
I highly doubt that. No doubt that the .50-90 has a lot of power but I'd bet good money that if you shot ten deer in a row with it and killed them all on the spot, you'd find that every one of those deer just more than less fell over.

But this does give me some insight into Shawnee's anti-thirty caliber attitude now, knowing that he has to deal with a lot of inexperienced shooters.
Still, the correction for that is not to degrade the '06. A better solution would be for those weekend hunters to devote the time necessary to become reasonably proficient with their rifles.
An expert is an expert whether he's carrying a .243 or a .300 Win Mag.
But an idiot is also an idiot, regardless of what rifle he's carrying. And now that I know .243 will punch through 1/2" of mild steel, I certainly don't want to be surrounded by idiots carrying them.
 
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