10/22 conversion help

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new here and not a typist. wondering if any body has advice on 10/22 conversion to select fire? am wanting a good desert toy from it.
 
So....you want advice on how to illegally convert a semi-auto Ruger 10/22 into a selectfire weapon in violation of federal law, right?


Best way to do it is to contact the people in charge; the BATFE. They have all the information you need and will send it to your street address if you ask them.
 
actually i have a pm for another member but it wont leave my sent items box so i figuered i would ask the question here. i do understand if no body responds to such a question, except to tell me somethings are illegal.
 
There is such a thing as a US legal full auto trigger group for a 10/22. Some small number were made before the 1986 cutoff of sales of new automatic weapons to American Commoners. Those few are legally transferrable and will occasionally change hands for some several thousands of dollars. A google found the Norrell unit selling for $6000 - $10,000 in 2006-2007.

Of course if you are not in the USA, the laws and rules governing your guns and shooting will differ.

I know a dealer who had one and thought it a great toy, especially on his Ruger with integral supressor. But prices got so high he could not resist the profit to be had and sold it.
 
thanks jim but that seem way more than the gun is worth. what about those trigger devices that manipulat the trigger by cranking a knob?
 
Petek I'm sure you want to mod your Ruger but I'm just as sure you won't get any advice here that can advocate breaking federal laws, Sorry. No wise cracks or sarcasm. Just no.
Joe
 
was reading somewhere that the ATF had ruled some brands of those crank devices as illegal. also a device that lets you "bump fire" your weapon as illegal. jwr
 
There is nothing illegal about converting a Ruger 10/22 to select fire.
Some of the replies here are not correct.

What you need is called a Norell Trigger pack. You need to search the boards that cater to NFA weapons to find one for sale. Onw good one would be www.subguns.com. They appear fairly frequently. The conversion is very simple. You install the trigger pack just like you would install any trigger: just remove the two pins for the trigger pack, put the new trigger pack in it's place and put the two pins back in place.

I did a quick search on subguns.com and came up with this: http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/...sults_format=long&db_id=13496&query=retrieval
I am not familiar with the trigger, but it is a full auto 10/22.
This is the website for the guy that made the Norell Triggers (John Norell): http://www.johnnorrellarms.com/default.asp
Due to federal law, he had to stop manufacturing new ones in 1986 however there are still used ones floating around.

I have never owned or fired one, but I have heard that it was possibly the best full auto in .22LR ever made including the American 180.

You might want to consider an M16 registered reciever. It is much more versitile and doesn't cost all that much more. You can put various uppers on it to give you anything from a .22LR to a 9mm, to a .223, to a .458 SOCOM or whatever your heart desires. There are some good .22LR uppers out there from companies like Spike's Tactical and some good .22LR magazines as well.
I have always wanted a Norell Trigger pack but I think from a practical standpoint, the M16 RR is the way to go.
 
I read those posts.
It's the other posts that worry me.
In the interest of giving out factual, and accurate information I couldn't let posts #2, and #3 slide.

No one should have to be called a criminal because he tried to find out information about exercising his rights. He shouldn't have to be ashamed to discuss perfectly legal activity on an online gun forum. This poor guy asks a question and is immediately accused of being a felon. It also shouldn't be assumed, without asking one single question, that the gun intends to do something illegal instaed of assuming that he wants to do something that is perfectly legal.

Owning a select fire 10/22 is perfectly legal. It is 100% legal.
It isn't a grey area, it isn't a technicality, it isn't some shady legal manuver.
It is just as legal as owning a Coly Python, a Remington 700, or a Beretta trap gun.
Saying that it is illegal is wrong.

I have been through this before and usually get comments like, well, there is so much paperwork that it might as well be illegal. That is also not true on so many levels. Paperwork doesn't make it illegal to start with. Secondly, there isn't much paperwork that needs to be done. Various states and cities require various forms of paperworks (cards) etc. to own handguns as an example. This doesn't mean that handguns are illegal. It just means that you need some kind of paperwork. If someone came on this board from Chicago and asked about buying a handgun would it be immediately assumed that he wanted to commit a crime by owning a handgun without the proper credentials, and the first two posts following the question accuse him of being a criminal ? I would hope not. Yet when it happens to someone asking about some NFA weapon, it is considered OK to accuse them of conspiring to commit a federal crime.
 
was reading somewhere that the ATF had ruled some brands of those crank devices as illegal. also a device that lets you "bump fire" your weapon as illegal. jwr
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Didn't they they rule that a shoestring was a machine gun.
 
I don't think anyone accused anyone of being a felon. The replys were meant to prevent that. Further posts indicated the reluctance to pay the required $$ to accomplish this in a legal fashion. :scrutiny: You 444 chose to advise the details of a legal modification. So be it.
Joe
 
IIRC all crank fire thingys are legal. Only thing not good for the 10/22 was the Atkins conversion stock. Norrell trigger pack is good, but quite pricey. Only other conversion I recall was the TEK conversion. Not many of those around, and if you can find one it will probably cost as much as the Norrell conversion. There is a conversion that puts 2 10/22's or AK's or carbines side by side on a tripod deal that fired both alternately. Was crank fired and around $400 for the set up minus the guns. Looks cool and with something like the 10/22 with 50 round mags would be lots of fun. EDIT Found one. Not the maker but for sale. www.tacticalinc.com/ruger-1022-gatling-machined-aluminum-p-571.html
 
Owning a select fire 10/22 is perfectly legal. It is 100% legal.
It isn't a grey area, it isn't a technicality, it isn't some shady legal manuver.
It is just as legal as owning a Coly Python, a Remington 700, or a Beretta trap gun.
Saying that it is illegal is wrong.
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A pre-'86 is legal to own and a post-'86 is legal to own if you are an SOT with an LE demo letter. I'm sitting here waiting for your long-winded explanation about how the 2nd Amendment allows you to own whatever you want. Unfortunately the goons in DC don't share those views and they write the laws. How about explaining yourself a bit more thoroughly instead of being intentionally vague in hopes that this poor sap will take your advice because it jives with his goals? Pretty damn pathetic
 
I am missing something here.
In your first sentence you agree with me completely and then go on with some drivel.

It is 100% legal to own a select fire 10/22.
You can legally, right now, buy a select fire 10/22. No ifs, ands, or buts. You can do it with the full knowlege and approval of the ATF, as well as your local law enforcement officers. If the original poster goes to any of the links I provided, he will be buying a 100% legal select fire 10/22.

So what's the problem ?

Are there laws governing the ownership of a select fire 10/22 ?
Sure there are.
Does that make them illegal ?
Not at all.

Are there laws governing the ownership of a automobile ?
Yes there are, quite a few of them actually.
Does this make owning a car illegal ?
No. Not in any way, shape or form.

Saying either one is illegal is wrong. You are giving out bad information. It is pure BS.

Furthermore: As I said previously, I think it is a damn shame that when someone comes on this board and asks a question, it is assumed immediately that he is trying to commit a criminal act. It is just as easy to assume the guy wants honest, informed, legal information. But, that isn't what happens is it ?
What would be wrong with explaining the truth to the guy: yes you can own a perfectly legal select fire 10/22. Thanks for asking, here is the information on how and where you can get one instead of something like this: "So....you want advice on how to illegally convert a semi-auto Ruger 10/22 into a selectfire weapon in violation of federal law, right?"
There is no excuse for treating people like that anymore than there is for giving out bad information.
I find it interesting that on a forum call "The High Road" we dont give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are asking about legal activity. No, we assume the worst and call them out for being criminals.

Finally, if "that poor sap" goes to any of those links I provided and buys any of the products I mentioned, he will be buying perfectly legal products from perfectly legal sources that will walk him through the proceedure for legal purchase. NO WHERE did I give him advice on doing anything illegal, or even questionable. I made no mention of the second amendment which DOES NOT give anyone the right to own a select fire 10/22 according to the recent supreme court decision. However the National Firearms Act of 1934 DOES give you the right to own a select fire 10/22. Are there restrictions put on that right ? Absolutely. That doesn't make it illegal.

Owning and shooting machineguns is fun.
AND, it is legal.
 
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If I need your help fixing anything I will ask.

Again, if someone wants to buy a handgun in Chicago do I have to specify a REGISTERED handgun ?
No
What about if a guy wants to buy a handgun in Las Vegas, do need to use bold capitilized letters to specify A REGISTERED HANDGUN ?
No

How about if anyone from either of those two cities posts that they are interested in buying a handgun and instead of giving them information or advice on buying one I instead immediately accuse them of trying to circumvent the registration law and accuse them of criminal activity with absolutely nothing to base it on other than the fact that they asked the question ?

So why do I need to specify that a machinegun needs to be REGISTERED ?

If you buy one from a legal dealer (like any of the links I posted), all that will be sorted out or you won't be able to buy it. The dealer won't let you have it otherwise. I seriously doubt that you would be able to locate and buy anything I mentioned in my previous post from any source other than a legal dealer (like the ones in the links I provided). I didn't specify that because I don't think it is nessessary. It is a given. When you buy an NFA weapon the paperwork and proceedure is normally handled by the dealer. He tells you want to do and how to do it. Once again, if you use any of the sources I provided, all that will be taken care of and doesn't need to be repeated every time someone asks about it on this forum.
Going back to the car analogy: If I asked about buying a new Jeep, does anyone answering my post need to tell me all the legal ramifications in that thread ? Sales tax, registration, madatory insurance ? ........ NO, that will be made painfully obvious when I buy it. The dealer, the bank, the DMV, etc will explain all that stuff to me (if I don't already know). All I need to know on-line is about the car.
But, for some reason that I can't figure out, if someone asks about an NFA weapon, everything changes.
 
444, I agree with your perspective and appreciate the wealth of information you posted.

I also think that some of the posters in this thread were suggesting that all that information was wasted on the OP, who implied that he didn't want to spend more than the value of the gun, let alone the thousands of dollars required to persue the legal route.

thanks jim but that seem way more than the gun is worth.
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The only thing that your very informative posts lacked was an honest appraisal of the financial investment involved in legally owning an NFA item.

It sounds like the OP had his question answered by post 6, and everything past that was informative, combative, or tomfoolery.
 
So why do I need to specify that a machinegun needs to be REGISTERED ?
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Because unlike the local laws in Chicago or Las Vegas the rules concerning NFA arms are Federal and apply across the land.

The consequences of breaking NFA rules are pretty stout. It seems worthwhile to be careful about phrasing when someone asks a question that could land them in the stoney lonesome for a long stretch.
 
"The only thing that your very informative posts lacked was an honest appraisal of the financial investment involved in legally owning an NFA item."

Ok, we are beating a dead horse at this point, but if he went to any of the links I posted, the price was right there to see.


And with that, I bid you farewell.
 
Once again, intentionally being vague to misinform the OP. NFA issues aren't a matter of rhetoric or stupid games, they can result in years (or decades) in a federal PMITA prison. How about taking that into consideration before engaging in needless word play here? Your misinformation is akin to saying that you don't need registration for your car, technically you don't but there are consequences when you get caught. BTW, nice full edit of your original reply to make it look like you weren't pumping BS :(
 
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