well let me reply to the glutton of replies that i know i'd get.
rbernie wrote:
"If I can't have it, neither can you - and I'll rat you out if you try to break the rules."
Spreadfire - you better hope that the people you encounter in your daily life are more neighborly than this, because I guarantee that you're breaking SOME rule somewhere along the way.
i consider myself to be a law abiding citizen. i have enough ATF permits and such that i have to be or else i can get them all revoked. i have no problem with the government checking on me. after all, i am subject to inspection at any time by the ATF. i have nothing to hide. i don't think it is a bad thing to get the citizenry involved that choose to be involved. nobody's forcing people to rat others out. i see nothing wrong with the police offering this program. you may. that is merely a difference of opinion. if you have something to hide then maybe you don't want a program like this. i have nothing to hide and like i said, it's not like ATF needs a search warrant to come and check me out. i dont care if they showed up right now for an inspection.
ArfinGreebly wrote:
The stinking paperwork! There isn't supposed to be any!
It's a flaming RIGHT!
You don't license it. You don't regulate it. It's a damned RIGHT!
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Crimes are illegal. The ownership of a gun, per se, cannot be a crime.
while that may be true in principle, the law is the law. i haven't seen any big push in NYC to repeal their current anti-gun legislation. just because you don't agree with the law doesn't mean you can violate it.
NYC law specifically states that in order to own a gun in their fair city you need some sort of permit. like it or not, it exists. the law exists and is thus enforceable. you may not like it. i may not like it. but i am a law abiding person and thus i choose to abide by it, regardless of what i may think about the law.
captaincaveman wrote:
Alright, looks like somebody needs a 2A refresher course. Can you please show me where in the 2A of the BOR "proper paperwork for owning guns" is discussed? Go ahead look it up, I'll wait.
of course it's not there. it is listed in some NYC city law. it is a valid law as unfortunate as it may be. you can't always cite the 2nd Amendment as your one and only excuse as to why you can ignore all other firearms laws. i certainly hope you don't ever get arrested for a firearm violation and use this as your one and only defense to prosecution. many have used it and have been subsequently convicted.
The Real Hawkeye wrote:
See, this is scary to me to find someone on a pro gun site, who apparently has an interest in some facit of shooting, who thinks like this. The paperwork to which you refer is only accessible in NYC by the very wealthy and very connected. If you're Donald Trump or Howard Stern, or a Congressman, or someone who has donated substantial sums of money to the Mayor's reelection campaign, you get to possess the paperwork to which you refer. Otherwise, forget it. Is that what you call a level playing field? Laws that seek to make sure that only the privileged classes and hardened criminals possess firearms?
just because i'm pro gun doesn't mean im for disregarding firearms laws. i have no idea how hard or easy it is to get firearms permits in NYC. i can tell you that if you don't have the legal paperwork, and you are in possession of a firearm, then it is probably a crime in NYC and if you choose to violate their laws then you can deal with their justice system. challenge it all you want. you can spend the night in jail, post bail with your own money, pay for your own attorney, get your gun confiscated, and in the end, you're still wrong.
AZRickD wrote:
It won't work. NYC doesn't have enough man-power to make a dent in the situation. The best defense against criminals is to have as many potential mugging and robbery victims able to defend themselves with modern tools of self defense.
True, in a perfect world. but you have to remember, that like it or not, if you live in NYC you can either abide by the law or disregard it. if you disregard the law then don't expect the NYPD to treat you any differently than a crook, because, in the eyes of their laws, you are.
for those that don't like NYC law, be glad you don't live in NYC. i don't live there and i'm glad i don't. i don't like their firearms laws, but if i have to abide by them when i go there, then i do.
i, for one, am for the lawful carry of firearms. whatever law may be in place where i happen to be. if i don't like law, that doesn't give me permission to break it.