I bought a used Gamo Whisper II .177 to shoot vermin out the back door but I needed it to be effective out to 100 yards. Needless to say that didn't work out so I sold it. What airgun is out there that will shoot small caliber pellets out to 100 yards or more and still have the power to take down pests?
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Gamo is pure crap. Sorry you had to buy one before realizing this....research is your friend.
I'm new to PCP, but I'd say getting a PCP is a good start. I'm not sure .177 will reach out to 100 yards.
I'd look into .22 or 25.
Not sure what your budget is, but you might want to look into big bore air guns...I've seen a guy on YT shoot a Condor built 257 at a distance of 450yards.
I'm new to PCP, but I'd say getting a PCP is a good start. I'm not sure .177 will reach out to 100 yards.
I'd look into .22 or 25.
Not sure what your budget is, but you might want to look into big bore air guns...I've seen a guy on YT shoot a Condor built 257 at a distance of 450yards.
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I think aubie is right, the sectional density on most pellets in terrible, they are light and slow down quickly. .22 or even .25 airguns at subsonic velocities are probably your best bet (bullets & pellets often become unstable and inaccurate when dropping below the sound barrier).
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I may be wrong, but I think anything that powerful will be pretty loud.
Might was well use a .22 RF.
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Might was well use a .22 RF.
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I have a large caliber PCP air rifle. Caliber .457. It is quite loud.
It will throw a .457 lead round ball at a bit over 700fps and a 200 grain semiwadcutter at just over six.
I am not sure that that is enough velocity to keep the projectiles stable at 100 yards. Fine at 50, though.
For .22s, weight is important. Try the extra heavy EunJin pellets (32 grains) in a .22 PCP gun.
The problem, of course, with PCP air guns is cost. Big bucks to set yourself up.
I have a large caliber PCP air rifle. Caliber .457. It is quite loud.
It will throw a .457 lead round ball at a bit over 700fps and a 200 grain semiwadcutter at just over six.
I am not sure that that is enough velocity to keep the projectiles stable at 100 yards. Fine at 50, though.
For .22s, weight is important. Try the extra heavy EunJin pellets (32 grains) in a .22 PCP gun.
The problem, of course, with PCP air guns is cost. Big bucks to set yourself up.
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You can "google" your question as well.
You want the FX Cyclone:
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/FX Main.html
You pick up a traditional springer (like the hi-qual RWS is also have) and it impresses you with it's "gravitas".
The Cyclone comes out of the box feeling like a feather ... and you wonder....
... that is until you pull the trigger for the first time.
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http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/FX Main.html
You pick up a traditional springer (like the hi-qual RWS is also have) and it impresses you with it's "gravitas".
The Cyclone comes out of the box feeling like a feather ... and you wonder....
... that is until you pull the trigger for the first time.
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Pellets do not go thru the sound barrier well. They do even worse when decelerating back thru again. This is why the germans at HW dont make em past 1000.
My 1983 Beeman R1 Supermagnum pushes .22s mid 800s. It does it with very good accuracy with a respectable trajectory all the way to 90 yards. I know that at 75 it will blow thru both sides of an arisol can.
Stand by for 100 yd report.
My 1983 Beeman R1 Supermagnum pushes .22s mid 800s. It does it with very good accuracy with a respectable trajectory all the way to 90 yards. I know that at 75 it will blow thru both sides of an arisol can.
Stand by for 100 yd report.
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Wow. Just spent some time at Airguns of Arizona...that Cyclone is a pretty gun. Very tempting.
How is that straight pull cocker?
$1400....like I said, PCPs are not cheap. That price is for the gun. You still need to get air into the thing so a scuba tank (preferably one at 4200Psi) and a hand pump as a back up.....add another grand.
But....then you are independent - except for pellets, which at the moment are plentiful and inexpensive.
Nice targets by the way. Very Nice.
Pete
Wow. Just spent some time at Airguns of Arizona...that Cyclone is a pretty gun. Very tempting.
How is that straight pull cocker?
$1400....like I said, PCPs are not cheap. That price is for the gun. You still need to get air into the thing so a scuba tank (preferably one at 4200Psi) and a hand pump as a back up.....add another grand.
But....then you are independent - except for pellets, which at the moment are plentiful and inexpensive.
Nice targets by the way. Very Nice.
Pete
Plus a handpump for at leat a couple hundred or a tank fill system for even more money or a compressor for a few grand...
\I have been playin with a air force condor in .25 that is sub 1000 and have been stretchin my range with.
go here and look and ask... the best airgun site out there
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/
Feel like saying a .22 with subsonic ammo is better than any airgun and is almost as quiet. At 100 yds, it's difficult to hit small target with any consistency. I remember a good 6+ inch drop with subsonic .22 at 100yds. Btw, bullets can destabilize when they exceed the sound barrier, not below it.
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I have an RWS M48 in .177 - that's generally regarded as one of the better mass-market air rifles, with an advertised velocity of 1100 ft/sec. My chronograph verifies this velocity with lightweight RWS "Hobby" pellets.
Using the more accurate but slightly slower RWS "Superdome" pellets, five shot groups at 40 yards can be covered with a dime. By 50 yards - it takes a quarter, and beyond that, well, lets just say groups open faster than the range does, so it's unsuitable for making precision shots on vermin beyond 50 yards. (I've read that lapping the barrel helps, but I haven't tried that yet.)
I think it will take a larger pellet if you want a 100-yard vermin killer.
Using the more accurate but slightly slower RWS "Superdome" pellets, five shot groups at 40 yards can be covered with a dime. By 50 yards - it takes a quarter, and beyond that, well, lets just say groups open faster than the range does, so it's unsuitable for making precision shots on vermin beyond 50 yards. (I've read that lapping the barrel helps, but I haven't tried that yet.)
I think it will take a larger pellet if you want a 100-yard vermin killer.
Air guns often have built in "silencers" or they can be fitted to airguns without the feds permission etc. As long as it is an airgun one and not a muzzle mounted one that could be used on a firearm.... its a tad more complicated but not to much
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With the current and ongoing difficulty obtaining 22 ammo, buying 500 pellets for as little as $6/500 is a draw.
If one goes to the larger caliber PCP guns, casting your own bullets eliminates even the minimal costs of pellets.....(provided one has a source of lead).
Pete
Perhaps. The question becomes "better for what?"
With the current and ongoing difficulty obtaining 22 ammo, buying 500 pellets for as little as $6/500 is a draw.
If one goes to the larger caliber PCP guns, casting your own bullets eliminates even the minimal costs of pellets.....(provided one has a source of lead).
Pete
If you could be happy with 50yds this might be worth a look, http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Hatsan_135_Air_Rifle_Vortex_Piston/3482#Specifications I'm thinking the .22cal, to bad there isn't a .20cal.
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BCs on air rifle pellets are typically very low, less than 0.040. Compared with rifle bullets, these things are little parachutes. At 100 yards, they have lost 75% or more of their energy and move a lot in the wind.
Ted's Holdover on youtube has vids of him shooting pop cans at 200 with ease. He has vids of head shot kills at over 100 yards.
The tv show "Yukon Men" regularly showed alaskan big game taken with a 16 inch AR15 shooting 55gr fmj. Caribu at 200 yds, moose. The very last episode the kid killed a grizzly door knob dead. All can be seen on netflix.
Yet, the armchair experts will say this or that cant be done.
I shoot 100 yds to keep my rifle skills sharp. I find that the trajectory of my pellets replicates that of my .308 at 1000 yds. Its a 3.5 hour drive to my rifle school and their ranges, so this works well. Even wind effect is the same.
In reality, most folks will never shoot past 40 yards. This is where most guns really start to drop off. At these distances, there is more than enuf killing power.
At further ranges there are lots of cases of deer and dogs being found dead of a double lung shot. I have even read about people shot in the chest that died of lung and heart punctures.
The tv show "Yukon Men" regularly showed alaskan big game taken with a 16 inch AR15 shooting 55gr fmj. Caribu at 200 yds, moose. The very last episode the kid killed a grizzly door knob dead. All can be seen on netflix.
Yet, the armchair experts will say this or that cant be done.
I shoot 100 yds to keep my rifle skills sharp. I find that the trajectory of my pellets replicates that of my .308 at 1000 yds. Its a 3.5 hour drive to my rifle school and their ranges, so this works well. Even wind effect is the same.
In reality, most folks will never shoot past 40 yards. This is where most guns really start to drop off. At these distances, there is more than enuf killing power.
At further ranges there are lots of cases of deer and dogs being found dead of a double lung shot. I have even read about people shot in the chest that died of lung and heart punctures.
Lots of great info but I might be a little more confused now than I was before.. LOL
Th Cyclone looks interesting but that is quite the investment. I wonder what the market is like for them used.
I need the 100 yards to make the shot from the back door to the locust trees out back.
Th Cyclone looks interesting but that is quite the investment. I wonder what the market is like for them used.
I need the 100 yards to make the shot from the back door to the locust trees out back.
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