10mm and 800-X data

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I just bought a pound of this powder to to try in 357sig and 10mm. Looking at data from a couple of resources regarding 10mm has me a little concerned. In the latest Hornady manual it lists a maximum load of I believe 10.1 grains for a 180gr HP bullet. On IMR's website, it lists a maximum charge or 8.7 with a 180 HC (Sierra) bullet. The pressure listed for the IMR load shows 30000 psi and the SAAMI spec for 10mm is 37500. Anyone care to share their experience using this combo?

Thanks.
 
It is a potent powder - tread carefully. I use it for both calibers also.

I seem to recall 10 grains was a hot load - but my data is at home.

On the 2 different max loads listed, compare the particular bullet length - that will affect volume and therefore pressure.


Do you have strong pistols??
 
10 C grains is what Hodgdon recommends for 124 gr bullet in the 357 SIG.

Should help with bullet set back as it is a compressed load.

I have a few loaded but have not tryed them yet.

800X works good for 44mag loads too.

Jimmy K
 
The biggest problem with IMR 800X is it meters like corn flakes. You may find it necessary to weigh each and every charge. I've tried it through both of my Redding powder measures, my Dillon, my Hornady and my Belding & Mull. None of them will meter it worth beans, with large variances in weight from one drop to the next.

For top velocities in 10mm with the heavier bullets, it can't be beat, but has a tendency to spike pressures at a certain point, so use caution and work your loads up carefully.

Hope this helps.

Fred
 
Anyone care to PM me with your upper end loads in 10mm with 800-X using 180gr bullets?

I'm curious if anyone has loaded up at or near that 10.0gr level.

Thanks again.
 
RB98SS: A good resource for you should be Ammoguide Interactive. It's a paid site, but well worth it as it is a comprehensive listing of loads, both user-submitted and from published manuals. I checked there--and there was one high-end load that had been submitted by 'stigma,' a well-known and reliable tester there. Trying checking it out using their "demo" sign-in.

Another site that may have data for you is handloads.com, in the recipe database. However, be forewarned that database is largely unmoderated, so double-check the specs

Meanwhile, Fred's observations are spot on. Plan on weighing each and every load with this powder, and with 700-X as well if you pursue that.

If you have not loaded for 10mm at the high-end, be aware that certain powders can produce secondary, and possibly teriary, pressure spikes well above SAAMI. LOAs need to be carefully done, and setback can create big-time problems.

If you want to shoot really high-end 10mm loads, I suggest you look into locating and buying a S&W 1006. I had one, and it ran high-end loads beautifully--particularly, in comparison to my Glock 20--which blew up. Granted, my Glock blowup may have been the result of an error (double-charged case, of a low-end 231 load), and that was a first-gen pistol. Glock has undoubtedly improved the model since then--but be damn sure you have a fully-supported barrel.

Jim H.
 
Jim,

Thanks for the heads up, I have loaded some fairly stout 10mm loads with Blue Dot and Power Pistol already and have had good luck. I also have my Lee Auto Pro dispensing 800-X pretty darn reliably. I do weigh each charge though as I had a load bridge on me once.

I'm glad your still with us after your mishap with the possible double charge. If it was indeed a double charge I'm not sure your 1006 would have fared much better. I'll move forward carefully as always.

Thanks, Gary
 
DELETED grs. of 800 with a 180 gr.bullet is what I will be trying pretty soon...
 
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Nice to see some local guys on the forum! Jem375, report back once you give it a try. What is your 10mm platform?
 
800x is a great powder. I use it in my 45super, 10mm, and hot 40 loads. I have a couple of wolf barrels for my glock for the hotter loads and put a stronger spring in the glock. You can get very higher velocities without the pressure signs I find with other powders. I get 1,300 fps with 185 jhp with my Kimber 45. Work up slowly on the loads and pay attention to the brass.
 
I don't recall loading any more than 9.2 grains for my G29. I haven't chronographed any but I like the 180 grain Hornady XTP load. I also use 800-X for 200 grain loads. I use the Hornady data as published and found that the higher end loads waste powder. The upper-end (but not maximum) loads are accurate and controllable, and 800-X is a little faster than BlueDot which is important with a short barrel.
 
From my Glock22 40sw notes with improved case support:
800X IMR load [current web site]: "Hi-Shor"800-X 6.3 gr. 925 fps, 2610
psi, 4" barrel, 1.125" OAL, Speer 200 gr. FMJ

[Additional 40sw load DELETED]

From my Glock 20 10mm notes with improved case support:
"Hi-Skor" 800-X 7.8gr 1130fps 32500 psi
[Additional 10mm load DELETED]

What does it all mean?
1) More power with 800X than any other powder in 10mm.
2) 40sw is smaller, but potentially more powerful than the 10mm with weak large primer pocket
3) 800X meters so badly, and requires double compression for super hot loads, so is more appropriate for hunting than targets.
 
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I'm curious if anyone has loaded up at or near that DELETED level.

I stopped at DELETED grains, which develops DELETED 1406 FPS with 180's from a 5" gun. That load is slightly above the published maximums, so if you choose to mimic it, you do so at your own risk. I will say that all loads in manuals are safely below the maximum pressures set by SAAMI, so going ~5% over on charge should be within the limits. I don't have a piezo-electric measuring device, so I can't tell you that for sure. I will just say that all of my 10mm's handle this load just fine, primers aren't pancaked and case life is still pretty good.

What Clark is doing, OTOH, is downright dangerous. Effectively double-charging a case that is already high-pressure and known for weak webbing (.40). And for a couple of reasons, the pressure may be even more than the load increase percentage. It's not a simple linear equation. Clark should know this, and explicitly denote accordingly.

40sw is smaller, but potentially more powerful than the 10mm with weak large primer pocket

IMO, that just shows ignorance, engineering degree or not. Not trying to be offensive, but the notion that a smaller case can out-perform a larger one at the same pressure levels is just silly, and it's not about the primer pocket. As I said above, .40 S&W has a thinner web than 10mm. There are more case head separations with .40 S&W than any other pistol cartridge.

Additionally, posting that data in a manner that suggests it might be OK for other people to give it a try is reckless.
 
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