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1858 and conicals

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algaeguy

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So I want to load a 220 grain conical - I think the extra mass would be good for killing deer at close range. Obviously I cannot use the supplied loading level as they dont fit. The cheap Traditionals loading block was a pos and the arm bent on round one. How DO you guys get these in straight, or at all? Do you need to bevel the end? Are the more expensive loading devices worth it? Or should I just stick with the good o' cap and ball that works great? thanks!
 
BHP FAN is right, they are reduced at the base to accomodate loading in C&B Revolvers.

I modified my Pietta 58' around the loading window to accomodate me loading the big 220gr. Lee Conical but then again I also reamed the chambers to .4510 to also accomodate the larger .456 diameter projectile.

If you have a Pietta you may be better suited to use the .450 200gr. conicals by Lee because the chamber on many of the Piettas are .4465.
 
Thankee all for the replies. I friend of mine gave me some cast .456 Lee mold bullets - they simply will not start, short of a hammer and boolit deformation. I shall try Voodoochilies recommendation of the 200gr .450 diameter ones.
 
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Are the more expensive loading devices worth it?

Yes, loading using a press is fun. If using extra cylinders, the empty cylinder is taken off the gun to swap it with a loaded one anyway. And loading off the frame also allows for lubing the cylinder pin with each reload.
When the cylinder is loaded off the frame there's more room to use a larger funnel for dumping the powder into the chambers without spilling it. I premeasure the powder charges at home and place them into pill bottles, all of which helps to load multiple cylinders faster & easier with the help of a press at the range.
 
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Hi Fellows

Do these bullets fly straight? and do you use about 25grs of powder to push the bullet along. Back in the eighties when I first got my 58 couldn't figure out why I couldn't hit anything with it. After putting up a target and six on paper the groups were terrible, I kept at it to the point I was done trying, a friend of mine wanted it, and I sold it to him. Year or so later went by his place and ask why he never shot it, told me he just wanted one to hang on the wall I ask what he'd take for it, and he sold it back to me. Come to find out he was kind of afraid of it. Lot of people are. They're scared they'll blow up in ya hand, anyway took it back to the house loaded up, had one of those .44 mag steel swinging targets out about 30 yards or so. Don't remember why but only put 20grs of powder in it, started taking aim, pull the trigger. Bang, bang, bang. The first one hit the target, I thought it was just a lucky shot, but it kept hitting all six shots hit that steel with a hard smack. went back to the paper targets to see how it was grouping, and wow that rascal was pretty much hitting in the same spot all shots. With 30grs it will group ok. with 25grs it will shoot all rounds in the 1 1/2" groups. With 20grs its still putting all rounds in the same 1 1/2 hole out to the 30 yard mark. Those are free hand not bench and sand bags. From what I learned from this revolver is that after 30grs of powder, the groups really start to open up to where it's hard to hit anything. So is it the same way with the bullets.
 
algaeguy,

Love the Lee conicals in my '58 Rem. They load easy and shoot like a dream. Hope you have the same results! Oh, and when loaded with a healthy dose of T7 they will drop hogs! Killed two with the Lee conicals and the wounds were pretty respectable. Hadda shoot one of 'em twice to put it down quick, but they did the trick!

Wade
 
algaeguy,
BP pistol hunter and 45-70 Ranger have both detailed harvesting hogs with their Remingtons loading 35+ grains of 777 and a round ball. They described their loads and advice in Posts #62 through #70 located on page 3 of the following thread:

Deer Hunting with cap/ball Revolvers

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=157482&page=3&highlight=hog

Here's another thread that includes several testimonials about successful deer hunting with cap & ball loads:

Hunting with a 'cap 'n ball'?

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=555932&page=2&highlight=hog
 
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I believe your problem lies in having the wrong Lee bullet for that Remington reproduction.
You see, Lee makes TWO decidedly different moulds for .44 conical bullets.

The Remington mould drops bullets about .454 inch, with a heel -- that rebated portion on the base of the bullet -- about .450 inch or perhaps a little smaller, so it slips easily into the Remington chamber. This bullet, when cast of pure lead or very soft lead, weighs about 200 grains.

The other is made for the Ruger Old Army and typically has a bullet diameter of .457 inch or thereabouts, with a commensurately larger heel.
The larger heel will not fit easily in the current Remington reproductions. This bullet, intended for the Ruger, weighs about 220 grains.

I think your friend gave you some bullets meant for the Ruger Old Army -- too large to work properly in a Remington repro.
 
Yes it will kill deer and hogs

Guys take it from experience do not doubt the cap and ball revolvers ability to take down deer and wild hogs within 50yards if you do your part just as effectively as any 357 mag, 44-40, 45acp or 45 colt. I know this from experience and have done so many times with 35 - 37 gr of 777 and a .454 ball in my 12 inch Pietta stainless 1858. Stay away from the conical bullet in all the reproductions as they are more accurate and produce more devastating wound channels with the round ball due to the projectile deforming on impact and tearing it's way thru flesh and bone expanding to surreal dimensions. On the other hand Ruger old army revolvers perform admirably with 220 conical or 225gr pure lead 45acp swc.
 
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