1858 Rem Conversion ?

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thats a good price but it depends on what type of cylinder. If its and R&D drop in then its standard. If its a Kirst than thats a steal. Either way i guess i would do it myself. You can buy an 1858 then buy a R&D drop in cylinder and still have the original. It will run about the same. except you have two cylinders to shoot. Or spend a little more. Get the 1858 then get a Kirst conversion with loading gate.
 
I think Taylor does a good job on those. If I was inclined to have a conversion other than a Colt I would seriously look at the Taylor guns. You can't buy(retail) the parts and do the work yourself for that money.
 
I`ve been thinking about selling some of my drop in conversions and buying one of the Taylors factory done myself ...I haven`t heard much about them though ...would like to hear more from those that own them .
All I`ve heard is that ...Uberti makes them ...they are forged steel framed ....it all sounds good for the price ...sure would like to put my hands on one ........I`m also wondering if they will shoot the 45 Schofields like my drop in conversions will .
No way could you make the conversion your self for the price . This is a gated conversion ..no need to remove cylinder for loading or unloading ...complete with ejector .....the pic on the Taylors site doesn`t show it well .
 
The Uberti 1858 conversion is a nice gun. It's steel is a bit harder than Uberti's cap & ball steel, but it's not as attractive to my eye as an 1858 with a Kirst installed. And that ejector is kind of useless, at least to me. But the price is certainly right.
 
Riot does the ejector rod have a return spring on it ??? what I`m getting at is will it stay put , comming out of a holster ?
Shooting reloads there are times I have to poke the emptys out of my drop in conversions ..
Also is the conversion cylinder made like the Kirst ? quality wise ?
 
Alas, there is no ejector spring. The originals, with few exceptions, didn't have a spring either. Here's one of the rare ones that did:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=125134432

I handled one in a store last year. The ejector locks -- I use the term loosely -- into a slot in the loading lever. You have to drop the lever slightly to rotate the ejector into a usable position. I am not sure if it'll "stay put" coming out of a holster, but I would guess that it would. It's an imperfect design that I don't care for. And the Uberti rod is a bit flimsy. The Kirst rod looks a little thicker.

The conversion cylinder is harder than the cap & ball cylinders but not as hard as Kirst's 4140 steel. It is easier to insert than the Kirst however. I'm partial to the Kirst Civil War Konverter. It looks like a cap & ball cylinder from a distance (but has no loading gate of course).
 
Thanks Riot ....gives me a better idea abou them ...The Taylors site just doesn`t show enough pictured to get a better look at them ...I was wondering about the lack of spring on the ejector rod ...something to think about ...they are a part of Remington history that I do enjoy ..So I will have to buy one ..
The converted Remington and converted Colt open top are close in price at Taylors so I wasn`t sure which I wanted first ...I think I`ll go with the 5 1/2 inch barrel Remington conversion model .
 
I just sold a Taylors New Model Army Conversion with a 5 1/2" in .45. It shot really well and POA. It will not accept a uberti Reminton cylinder as they show in the adds. At first they (Uberti) said they came with them, but it never happened as far as I know. The cylinder is bigger O.D. to accept the .45 casings. I sold mine to get a Cimarron 7th Cav model.

The only complaint with a uberti to a Pietta, and I have both, is the uberti smacks my middle knuckle. So I started shooting 45 schofields in the conversion and it wasn't a problem.
 

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Coyote Hunter ...you just answered my next question ....will the Uberti conversion shoot the 45 Schofield ..........I `ve switched to the Schofield for shooting in all my drop in conversion cylinders ..easyer on the revolver and the shooter if you shoot alot ...heck when I shoot targets I just want to hit them I don`t need to kill`em
 
1858 Rem Conversion??

I found a Richard Mason type ejector assembly for the Remington 58.
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,7515.html
It is spring loaded, and I'm not sure if it will work on Uberti. I ordered a .45LC conversion cylinder from Taylor's, and it fits better than the original cylinder that came with the piece. It even sounds healthier as you rotate the cylinder. I decided to go with the R & D conversion as it's suppose to be the first developed design back in the days of old. It seems something is up, because many 58's are back ordered, as well as cylinders. I may go with a Kirst on my 5 1/2 Ub 58 depending on what I learn in the mean time and what you folks recommend.
 
Nice find on the springloaded Remington 1858 ejector ...I like the way it is attached to the cylinder pin also ....Now you have me thinking ..I already own a Kirst conversion cylinder and a 5 1/2 Uberti Remington ......looks like a 125.00 and I could make one .
 
does R&D still use the canted cartridge method? ie, the bullets hit the forcing cone at an angle? That doesnt sound healthy for gun longevity.

Doesnt taylors sell the unfinished cylinder blanks still?
 
1858 Conversion.

My cylinder is straight away, no canted cartridges. But, a Six Shot .45LC in a cylinder that will fit the Remington doesn't leave much room to play with! I think as long as one stays in the recommended limits 34 G of BP or Cowboy Ammunition loaded for a maximum muzzle velocity of 750 to 850 fps., you're in there. By the way, the cylinder I got from Taylor's fits better, locks up more soundly than the original, and is machined on CNC equipment. Hope that helps.
 
.58 Remington Conversion.

To be clear, my cylinder is fluted to match up with the .45 LC, and is not straight walled, which causes me to conclude that it would not be compatible with the .45 Schofield cartridge. The cartridges are in-line with the barrel. I too saw the sketch with canted chambers and wondered the same thing you did. Mike
 
R&D does angle theirs 1 degree. it is mentioned on their website or was. The reason the size of the shells is too big to put all 6 on a 1858 without having a very small web paper thin. So angling the shell gives them moreweb thickness. The bullet hits the top of the rear of the barrel. The swear though this has little to no effect on accuracy and the gun. I have heard from a lot of people who have used the R&D and have confirmed this.

Now for my Walker i have a R&D however with the Walkers massive size webbing was not an issue. For my 1858 i went with the kirst. As the kirst is only a 5 shot cylinder however the bullets go straight into the cylinders and the webbing is still thick in between each cylinder. Kirst design opted to use only 5 shells to keep the webbing thick without having to angle their bullets. Same time the 6 chamber area makes for a great safety for the gun as there is not a bullet present. Then i like the option of the loading gate.
 
Dam, I am confused. I have 1858 made by Ruger,and I just bought an R&D cylinder....so will this work? I haven't had a chance to match it up yet. And what about the loading gate,will I need to send it off to have this done?
 
Ruger did not make an 1858 Remington New Army replica. The Ruger Old Army is a completely different gun. It does bear a resemblance to the 1858 Remington, but it is only superficial. If you bought a conversion cylinder for an 1858 Remington New Army it will not fit a Ruger Old Army.
 
mykeal is correct. now i have an 1858 peitta. so if you want to send me that brand new cylinder i will put it to good use
 
I should have stated that the new conversion cylinder,is for a "Ruger old army,sorry....so how do I get the loading gate?
 
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