1886 Pedersoli or Miroku?

Pedersoli or Miroku 1886

  • Miroku

    Votes: 25 73.5%
  • Pedersoli

    Votes: 9 26.5%

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I have a Marlin 1894 and two Chiappa 1892s. I need an 1886.

Looking at either a Pedersoli or Winchester. The Pedersoli looks similar to my Chiappa 1892s, and I get the impression from Youtube videos that it may even be more nicely fit and finished. I also have read more than one forum post praising Pedersoli barrels.

The Miroku, well it says Winchester and the reputation of the Miroku Winchesters is unanimously positive. I hate the tang safety and rebounding hammer.

I'm sure I'd find either rifle to be excellent. Given my liking of my two Chiappa 1892s I am leaning Pedersoli. The Miroku is actually about $100 less. Just wanted to see how you guys voted and listen to any opinions. As always, thanks!
 
Look for a used American made 1886 Winchester :cool:.

New, I'd have to go with Miroku. I think the Japanese build them better than the Italians myself. But some of those Italian levers have beautiful finishes.

I'm actually in your same boat. I need an 1886. But on this particular rifle, I'm going to hold out for one built in the USA.
 
the itailan guns are not gonna have the modern rendition trigger/safeties/firing pin blocks that the made in japan guns have.
i find it interesting that they make products in japan for sale to us that they can never have.
...that said, i have several Italian made single shot, lever action, single action revolver type guns. they have fueled the western genre both in movies and firearms. wish i could afford a over under from there. i confess mine is a citori......dc
 
I shoot a Chiappa Ridgrunner 1886 variant and couldn’t be more pleased with its handling characteristics and performance.

It’s a “Takedown” variant with an 18 inch threaded barrel, rubberized wood stock, forward mount for a scout scope and fiber optic front sight with a skinner rear aperture.

Accurate with all my handloads so far, I have used it to take several pigs and coyotes:
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I’ve run over 500 rounds through this rifle from plinking loads to screamers and I haven’t had a single issue.
 
While I am not enamored with the 1886, I am familiar with both manufacturers. Of the two, closer to the antiques is Pedersoli.

Kevin
 
Good grief, where are you finding examples of either? My local shop got me a Mirchester '73 last fall with no drama, but a '92 Rossi on Gunbroker was the only one, anywhere.
Understand the appeal of such things.
Moon
 
i find it interesting that they make products in japan for sale to us that they can never have.
This. Deal breaker for me.

I'm good with almost anything from Japan but someone who won't ever own a gun and likely has never even fired the gun they help assemble (probably?) Is goofy. At least there were lots of westerns filmed in Italy and the citizens have an ability to own firearms, they're familiar with guns.

Maybe this is closed minded and incorrect but I'm also disgusted that winchester would use that kind of off shore manufacture to produce an American icon. Seems like they should abandon the winchester name and call the brand something else. Seems deceptive names are fairly common in the firearms world; springfield armory comes to mind as does Henry (I really like Henry and have zero hesitation buying their products. Most of us know it's not actually the original henry). The winchester name carries weight , their lever action rifles have been known around the world for their quality and beauty if they had any sense of history they would make the rifles here and charge whatever it costs, they'd still sell no problem. I doubt it's much cheaper to make them in japan, possibly very similar cost- labor isn't cheap and regulations are mountainous there.

So no, I'm not buying a 1892 deluxe trapper takedown in 45 colt (I'd love one). solely on principle , don't feel obligated to share my reservations , it's an individual preference and there is no justification for where they produce their guns IMO.

Miroku does make good quality , beautiful guns.
 
This. Deal breaker for me.

I'm good with almost anything from Japan but someone who won't ever own a gun and likely has never even fired the gun they help assemble (probably?) Is goofy. At least there were lots of westerns filmed in Italy and the citizens have an ability to own firearms, they're familiar with guns.

Maybe this is closed minded and incorrect but I'm also disgusted that winchester would use that kind of off shore manufacture to produce an American icon. Seems like they should abandon the winchester name and call the brand something else. Seems deceptive names are fairly common in the firearms world; springfield armory comes to mind as does Henry (I really like Henry and have zero hesitation buying their products. Most of us know it's not actually the original henry). The winchester name carries weight , their lever action rifles have been known around the world for their quality and beauty if they had any sense of history they would make the rifles here and charge whatever it costs, they'd still sell no problem. I doubt it's much cheaper to make them in japan, possibly very similar cost- labor isn't cheap and regulations are mountainous there.

So no, I'm not buying a 1892 deluxe trapper takedown in 45 colt (I'd love one). solely on principle , don't feel obligated to share my reservations , it's an individual preference and there is no justification for where they produce their guns IMO.

Miroku does make good quality , beautiful guns.
You're missing out, they're fantastic guns. I really don't care about who it is that makes them and wouldn't deny myself the pleasure of owning them, based on such arbitrary reasons. Japanese gun rights are for the Japanese people to worry about. They don't make them there because it's any cheap, it ain't China but the value is very good. They make them there because they do it right. The Miroku guns are better than anything made domestically, ever. If they built them here as good as Miroku does, they would cost more. My old neighbor was a rather well known pipemaker and he's never even smoked one. So apparently it's not really a requirement. ;)

Since they closed their doors in New Haven, Winchester is nothing but a brand owned and licensed by FN Herstal.

Henry was never a brand before the current company was founded. Benjamin Tyler Henry worked for what became Winchester.
 
My new Miroku made Browning SA22 had extremely crooked sights on it.

It’s back with Browning now and they’ve had it for weeks. I’ll have to say I’m very disappointed after reading so much good about Japanese made Browning’s.
 
Have to agree with @CraigC on this one. There is a difference in China and Japan. And they are often confused. The Italians make fine firearms. I have a few examples though none of them are levers (I’m a Marlin fan). Fit and finish is excellent. Accuracy is as well. Given the choice of a true replica, or even a beautiful display piece, I’m going with Pedersoli. If I’m going for strength, modern materials, and precision of manufacturing (which transfers to longevity of use), Miroku is getting the nod. So are you going to use it or show it off?

It’s not that beautiful firearms can’t be used. They certainly can. But this Okie leaves the “beauty” for dancing at home and takes the “ugly” strong one to the field to get the work done.
 
Excellent point, but I like the history of the firearms and a thumb safety or other added parts are a deal breaker for me. There is no debate about Winchesters made in Japan quality.

Gotcha! I get what you mean ..... I prefer originality as well ..... I just don't let it be a "deal breaker" ....but this is a case of personal preference and as its said; "to each his own." ;):)
 
Howdy

I only have one 1886, this original that left the factory in 1886. Yes, it has been refinished. Now the interesting thing is, it did not function perfectly when I got it. There are those who believe the model 1892 Winchester is a scaled down version of the Model 1886, which is mostly true, but there are a few minor differences. The design of the carrier for the Model 1892 was changed a bit from the original 1886 design.

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This is a 45-70 round about to be fed into the chamber of the 1886. Notice at the rear of the carrier their is a cage like apparatus machined onto the carrier that almost completely envelops the rear of the cartridge.

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This is the carrier of a Model 1892, with a 44-40 round on it, about to be shoved into the chamber. Notice the lack of the cage like structure at the rear of the carrier. The round merely rests on top of the carrier.

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I don't know if all the original 1886 rifles were like this, I only have the one. But the problem I experienced with it was when the round was fed backwards onto the carrier by the magazine follower, the rear edge of the rims would often hang up on the cage like structure and prevent the round from completely moving to the rear of the carrier. This would jam the carrier, preventing it from rising to feed the round into the chamber. I could reach in with a finger and pop the round all the way back, but that was not a satisfactory solution. I took the rifle to a very experienced Cowboy Action gunsmith, and we discussed breaking the edges of the cage like structure a bit more than when they left the factory, so a round could slide all the way back, which he did. However when I went to pick up the rifle from him, we discovered that the rounds were still hanging up and not riding all the way back onto the carrier. Our solution, rather than removing more metal from an antique rifle carrier, was to bevel the rear edges of the rims of a bunch of 45-70 brass a bit more than factory, so they could enter the carrier without hanging up.

I suspect when the Winchester engineers got Browning's design for the 1892 rifle ready for production they made this subtle change to the 1892 carrier.

Anyway, so much for the originals.

I only have one Pedersoli rifle, a reproduction of the Sharps, and the barrel is spectacular. I understand in the hands of a really good rifleman, which I am not, the Pedersoli Sharps rifles can compete head to head with the much more expensive American made C. Sharps rifles. I will also add that the wood to metal fit of my Pedersoli Sharps is not quite as good as the C. Sharp rifles. It is very good, but not perfect.

I am surprised you like your Chiappa 1892s so much, when they were introduced to the American market quite a few years ago they were routinely panned by all the Cowboy shooters. Perhaps quality has risen since.

Anyway, if you prefer the rifle without the tang safety, go for the Pedersoli, it's that simple. What's $100 when spending that much money on a rifle?

Regarding the Japanese being able to produce a fine quality rifle even though they cannot buy one themselves, what the heck does that have to do with anything? I'm sure most of the guys making Rolls Royce automobiles many years ago could not afford to buy one. That does not mean they were not excellent craftsmen who could produce a quality product.

Regarding the Henry Repeating Arms Company, yes they appropriated the name because it was in public domain, there was no trademark on the name. However for a very short time there was a Henry rifle company. Oliver Winchester's company that produced the Henry rifle was named the New Haven Arms Company because they were being made in New Haven Connecticut. Winchester had a dispute with B Tyler Henry over money back around 1866 or so. After working tirelessly for several years to get the Henry rifle into production, Winchester took a boat to Europe for an extended vacation. Henry took advantage of Winchester's absence to petition the Connecticut legislature to change the name to the Henry Repeating Arms Company, or something like that. Winchester got wind of the plot while in Europe and took the first boat back to the US. He was able to quash Henry's attempt at taking over the company and changed the name to Winchester Repeating Arms Company, and the first product under the new name was the Model 1866 Winchester.
 
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