1911 Detail Strip

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If any of you has never done a full strip on a 1911, I strongly suggest that you do it one step at a time,
and practice reassembling the parts that you have removed before moving on. This is the reason that
I have broken the procedure down into sections. This one applies to Series 70
and pre-Series 70 pistols only.

NOTE: The firing pin from an AR-15/M-16 is a perfect takedown/reassembly tool.
No pistolsmith's tool box should be without one.


Step 1
Remove the magazine and clear the chamber of the pistol(I know...but since the internet is public domain, I gotta say it) Field strip the pistol and lay the slide assembly aside.

Step 2
Cock the hammer and remove the thumb safety by pushing in on the end of the cross-pin while moving the safety pad up into the engaged position. The part should pop out, but a few pistols take some up-and-down "wiggling" to get it to move.

Step 3
Lower the hammer. Knock the mainspring housing pin out with a punch and a hammer. Place the punch into the indented end. (usually on the left side of the pistol) Some are harder to remove than others. It will come out. The grip safety will now come out, too. TIP: Lowering the hammer before driving out the MSH pin will get the mainspring's tension off the pin, and let it move much easier.

Step 4
Cock the hammer to push the mainspring housing out. Flip the hammer strut over the top and remove the 3-legged sear spring.

Step 5
From the right side, push the hammer pin out. It is a slip-fit and will come out easily.

Step 6
Stop and carefully study the relationship of the sear and disconnector for future reference. Unless you have removed and replaced these parts before, don't remove them just yet.

To reassemble these parts:

Replace the hammer, making sure that the pin goes into the right hole, rather than the hole for the thumb safety. Flip the hammer over the top, and lay the sear spring into the grip frame and place the small tab at the end into the slot in the frame. Make sure that the left leg is on top of the sear. The sear spring will go in UNDER the sear, but the pistol will not cock.

Flip the strut into place and move the mainspring housing up just enough to keep the strut from escaping.

Replace the grip safety, making sure that the hammer strut goes into the slot in the center of the grip safety. The strut can be pinched by the sides of the grip safety.

Center the hammer strut into its detent as closely as you can, and slide the mainspring housing up and into place. Watch for the small tabs on the bottom of the grip safety to make sure that they go under the top of the mainspring housing. Make sure the hammer is fully down before sliding the mainspring housing home. If the hammer is in the cocked position, the mainspring will work against you.

Replace the mainspring housing retaining pin by striking it with hammer and punch. Again, some will go right in, and others will require a harder strike.

Cock the hammer. If it won't cock, the sear spring is under the sear. Replace the thumb safety, and use a small, flat tool to depress the spring loaded detent. As the thumb safety goes past the detent,
move it upward into the engaged position. It should pop back in place, but some require an up-and-down wiggle to convince them. Most of the time, a single inward/ upward motion will do the trick

Go through the first part of the procedure, and again look at the sear/disconnector
relationship. (Series 80 pistols will be addressed in a separate section)

To finish stripping the frame: Starting with the sear spring out.

Step 1
Remove the hammer pin from right to left. It will only go in one way.
Remove the sear/disconnector pin from right to left. It will push out easily. Most hammer and sear pins will fall out of their own weight.

Step 2
Hold the pistol upright and push on the top of the disconnector. Some will need a little shake to get the parts to fall clear of the frame. Be sure to hold the frame over a tabletop or box to keep from losing the parts.

Step 3
Place the tip of a small screwdriver into the slot in the right side of the magazine release button. Turn it GENTLY in a counter clockwise direction while pushing slowly on the button itself. When the release is in the right position, the screw will turn easily into its takedown slot. If you have to use more than just a little pressure, the button is not in the right place
for takedown. When it pops out, the trigger can be removed from the rear of the frame.

To reassemble.

Replace the trigger. It will go in upside down, but will not go in all the way.

Replace the mag release button by pushing it into position, and again putting light pressure on the screw, while moving the button in and out to find the right place. When you find it, the screw will turn into place and the assembly will seat with a snap.

Hold the disconnector in one hand with the flat side toward the trigger stirrup. Lay the sear on it with the nose facing the rear of the pistol with the square feet on top of the disconnector face,

Carefully, from the back of the pistol, push the disconnector into its channel, keeping the sear in place. This is a little tedious for those with large fingers, so a small pair of needlenose pliers will help.

Line the bottom of the disconnector up with the bottom of the trigger, and hold it in place with your fingertip. Turn the pistol on its side, left side up, and look into the pin hole to see that the holes in the sear and disconnector are fairly closely aligned.

Pull the trigger slowly to align the holes enough insert your takedown tool all the way through. if it won't come out the other side of the frame, start over. If it does, hold the frame upright and shake it to make sure that the pin goes through the sear and disconnector. If it does, slowly remove the takedown tool and replace the pin, seating it flush with the frame. Repeat the check. If the sear and disconnector stay in place, you're finished.
By the time you've done it 10 times, oyu should be able to do the complete
dissassembly/reassembly operation in 5 minutes.

Finish reassembling the frame as outlined in the first part.

Stay tuned for the slide disassembly.
 
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Sweet!

uhh...so series 70 and lower...What about Springfield's and Kimber's? Will these instructions work for those as well?

Oh, and how much does it cost to get an AR-15 firing pin?

THX:D
 
Springers and Kimbers

T'was asked:

uhh...so series 70 and lower...What about Springfield's and Kimber's? Will these instructions work for those as well?

Springfields that don't have the ILS system are straight up as described.
The ILS is different in that the mainspring isn't captive within the mainspring
housing. Just a little more tedious to get the housing back in due to having
to fight the spring tension on the strut, but not too bad.

Early Kimbers (pre-Series 2) are the same as described. I haven't had
the opportunity to open up a Series 2 Kimber yet, and can't comment on
The details of the Swartz system. I understand that the rear sight has
to come off for the detail strip. Maybe Jim Keenan or Old Fuff can answer
on the Kimber-2.


Oh, and how much does it cost to get an AR-15 firing pin?

You can get one through Brownells for about 6 or 8 bucks plus shipping.
They have some that are higher, but a cheap one will work just as well.
The 1911 firing pin will work too. I just like to have something handy for
the times that I don't want to remove it.

Series 80 is yet to come.

Luck to ya!

Tuner
 
Detail Strip3-Slide

To disassemble the slide: Remove the magazine and clear the pistol...blah, blah, blah :eek:)

Series 70 and pre Series-70 pistols.

Study the firing pin stop for a minute. It will only go in one way.

Step 1
Push in on the firing pin, and down on the firing pin stop. As the stop drops below the rear of the firing pin, keep your finger or thumb over the rear of the slide. When the firnig pin is released, the pin and spring will come out, and sometimes they will fly out. Careful of those eyes.

Step 2
Remove the firing pin and spring as an assembly. If the spring stays in place, the pistol is too dirty. Shame on you!

The extractor can either be fairly tight, or fairly loose. Pry it out with the tip of a small screwdriver by wedging the tip into the firing pin stop recess and the rear of the slide.

You can now clean the extractor channel and the firing pin recess. A worn .22 rimfire brush is perfect for the extractor channel. It will push all the way through into the slide. Don't try to reverse it...One way only. Clean the firing pin recess with spray carburetor cleaner, and follow it up with brake cleaner after letting it soak for a few minutes.

Clean the pin...spring, and extractor and lightly oil them before replacing them. Replace in reverse order, being careful to ensure that the slot in the extractor is aligned with the firing pin slot in the frame. See that this alignment includes the inner part of the extractor being square with the inner wall of the slide. If it's rotated out of square, the firing pin stop will
not seat.

TIP: The extractor should be a fairly tight press-fit in its channel. If it drops in or slides in easily, it's a sign that it needs to be re-tensioned. Just a slight curve over its entire length is what you want.
 
Uh...I just noticed that all of the gun manuals I have viewed all discourage any further dissasembly other than standard field stripping.

1. Why is this? Is there any other reason besides 'they don't know how to work it, they might screw it up?"
2. Do I really have anything to worry about?

Edited to add: Happy New Yearz!:D
 
Manufacturer's Caveat

Uh...I just noticed that all of the gun manuals I have viewed all discourage any further dissasembly other than standard field stripping.

I never pay that any mind...:D


1. Why is this? Is there any other reason besides 'they don't know how to work it, they might screw it up?"

Bingo! Probably a liability thing too.


2. Do I really have anything to worry about?

Not on a 1911 pattern pistol, and especially when dealing with something closely conforming to the original design. (No added "lawyer parts, etc.) It was designed to be torn down in the field without tools. It's the epitome' of complex simplicity. I'll post instructions for doing just that, just for the
sake of nostalgia for us old heads who remember those dear, bygone days when the 1911s were meant to go to war...before they got politically corrected and lawsuit proofed. If you can put a model car together, you're
over-qualified for a 1911 detail strip.

I wouldn't advise jumping into, say...a Colt Double Eagle though. Ask me
how I know:rolleyes: :D

Cheers!

Tuner
 
Springfield ILS

To remove the Springfield ILS mainspring housing, cock the hammer. Now look for a small hole in the back of the housing, and insert the takedown pin that was supplied with the gun. You DID keep that pin, right? :D (a drill will work fine in a pinch)

Then just lower the hammer, drive out the MSH pin, and the housing will drop free - with the pin/drill holding the cap in place.
 
Tuner-one thing I have found helpful when removing the mainspring housing is to lower the hammer prior to tapping out the pin.

I would bet you do too, but just didn't mention it in Part 1, step 3. BTW-keep it coming! I have learned more from you and a few others in the past week than I learned in years of reading gun rags with all the "experts" (ex=has been, and spert is a drip under pressure for some of them!)
 
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Hammer Down

Delmar said:

Tuner-one thing I have found helpful when removing the mainspring housing is to lower the hammer prior to tapping out the pin

Right you are sir! I had two texts pre-written for the detail strip. The one
that I posted, and the edited version. I cut/pasted the wrong one.:uhoh:
I'll go back and fix it. Thanks Del. Sharp eye. Ay time I screw the pooch
on these, hold my feet to the fire!

Cheers!

Tuner
 
Tuner-I am NOT going to hold your feet to the fire. I fully understand what it takes to come up with these instructional threads, and it is so easy to miss some minor thing!

Had my deer hunting buddy over to the house day before yesterday. Richard was a confirmed Beretta man, although every time I stuck a 1911 in his hands, he shot much better with it. I finally sold him a 1991A1 Government for cheap-the only changes were a steel trigger and MSH.
Got him over to the house so I could teach him how to detail strip it, and it made me articulate things that I just do whenever I tear one down without thinking of it. Talk about having to think of the words necessary for him to understand?

I cannot begin to tell you how helpful you have been with these on-line clinics. You and many others have really given me a more clear understanding of the finer points of the 1911.
You ever make it to the Dallas area, The only thing you're gonna hold is your favorite beverage and a trip to the range on me.
 
Dallas

Delmar said:

You ever make it to the Dallas area, The only thing you're gonna hold is your favorite beverage and a trip to the range on me.

Now, that's mighty neighborly Delmar. My favorites are strong coffee and
Canada Dry Ginger Ale. If you're ever up in my neck of the woods, come
on by and set a spell. We'll leave the light on for ya. I'm about halfway
between Winston-Salem, NC and Mt. Airy...that would be the real-life
Mayberry, NC...and before the trees grew I had a good view of Pilot
Mountain from my deck...better known as Mount Pilot...which is 5 miles
north as the crow flies.

Hope ya like Collie dogs.:D

Cheers!

Tuner
 
"Uh...I just noticed that all of the gun manuals I have viewed all discourage any further dissasembly other than standard field stripping.

Why is this? Is there any other reason besides 'they don't know how to work it, they might screw it up?"

Maybe the makers are tired of:

1) Getting guns back in paper bags with little notes saying how the kid took it apart and/or

2) Being blamed for failure of guns that have been filed, ground, stoned, chopped, welded, and generally messed up by guys who want to "improve" them.

Jim
 
Returns

Jim said:

1) Getting guns back in paper bags with little notes saying how the kid took it apart.

ROFL...Oh yeah. Heard that one a few times. One guy even told me that the gun "just flew apart when I dropped it."
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2) Being blamed for failure of guns that have been filed, ground, stoned, chopped, welded, and generally messed up by guys who want to "improve" them.

ROFLMAO. Here are a few of my war stories...

Seen half cocks removed. (Some were actually done very nicely.)
"To make the hammer go down harder." OR..."Cuz it was keeping
the hammer from hitting the firing pin. That thing stopped the hammer
sometimes"

Sear spring straightened ("That thing right there was bent, so I fixed it)

Mag catch lock broken (That screw is rusted. I couldn't get it out)

Hammer pins in the MSH (This pin keeps slippin' out")

Sear springs under the sear "The hammer won't cock." ( Denial of disassembly in most cases)

Hammer hooks shortened to .010 or less. (This thing shoots two or three
times every time I pull the trigger...Puzzled expression AND denial of
trigger jobbing) Probably picked up Hallocks book and figured if .018 is
good, .010 is gooder.

Lower lug feet hammered on because: "That pivot was loose in the mount, so I had to tighten it up to keep it from damaging something"

Extractor hook filed down "Cuz it wouldn't get over the rim every time
and the gun jammed"

Disconnector filed down. "I could feel it hit the slide and I didn't want to to
break. Now the hammer won't stay cocked when I shoot it. Does fine
on the first shot." (Puzzled expression and story about how a gunsmith
told him to do it. This was before Al invented the internet.)

A few bobbed hammer spurs, and I mean completely gone. "To keep it from snaggin' on my coat when I fast-draw." (Uh, where IS that range ya shoot at, there pardner?") "Say there smithy...This thing misfires sometimes. Think I need a new spring?"

Mangled magazine lips. "I had to bend'em to get'em to feed right."

Many many long links. "This little pin keeps fallin' out" One had so many
punch marks around the holes, it looked like a waffle.

Damaged locking lugs. See above.

Oversized/Undersized bushing pounded into the slide AND onto the barrel with a hammer. "It wouldn't go in. Think you can get it back out?"

Several barrel throats filed/ground nearly flush with the top of the ramp.
Some came complete with similarly smithed ramps. Some nicely done,
some looked like they'd been done with a wood rasp. (Can anybody
say...Blown Cases?)

Two that tied for Grandaddy of them all came from two guys that I hooked up on the forums. One was a barrel off an XSE Commander. The barrel
had been filed flush with the bushing and recrowned with a countersink
in a cordless drill (witnessed) while the barrel was clamped in a vise. I
had to cut the barrel back in a lathe and recrown it. The result was that
the barrel was so short, the muzzle was behind the front of the bushing
an eighth of an inch. I had to cut the mouth of the bushing to blend with the muzzle to make it look halfway decent. The "job" was done by a
gunsmith's assistant in a shop. His new career will likely be asking:
"paper or plastic?"

The second came from a sheriff's deputy in Mississippi. The gun belonged to an older gentleman that he knew. When the barrel and slide arrived,
the lower lug had been welded into a curious right triangle shape with a
radius. Vertical lock was held by the recoil spring tension against the ramped front of the lug only. You could push the barrel hood down and move the slide a full quarter-inch. I recut the lug as best I could, and got
a decent lockup, although with a little vertical movement. The gun will
hold a 4-inch group at 25 yards, so I guess it worked out okay. The
kicker? It was a National Match barrel and slide. (E-bay shoppers...
Caveat Emptor!)

And how was YOUR day?

Cheers!
Tuner
 
Tuner one thing I have found is when the Safety is removed to watch out
for the detent pin and spring. They might come flying out.

Sir the only time I would hold your feet to the fire would be on a very
cold night. :D
 
The safety plunger and spring should not come flying out if they are properly made (yes, I know, I know, my same old song). Both plungers should have little grooves in them into which the crimped ends of the spring fit to prevent the plungers from separating from the spring. The spring itself should have a kink in the middle that prevents it from coming out of the tunnel unless deliberately pulled out.

At least one clone maker has been using straight plungers and a straight spring, and I have even seen one gun in which the slide stop plunger was not captive, so everything went flying when the safety or slide stop was removed.

Jim
 
Spring Sprung

Joe said:

watch out for the detent pin and spring. They might come flying out.

Yep. My method for keepin' that thing under control is to press the back of the frame against my chest as I wiggle the thumb safety out.

As Jim pointed out, correctly built/assembled pistols little subtle operations
performed to prevent small parts loss. The kink in the plunger spring is
one. The small cut in the recoil spring plug to keep it tied to the recoil
spring is another. Colt's redesign of the hammer strut makes for a stronger strut, but negates the use of the strut as a tool. Since the
pistols aren't headed for a war zone any more...at least not on a large
scale, there isn't a real need for these things, and the operations take
time...just like proper fitting. Time is money, and profit is the reason
that they're built.

Sad that some of the little things that made a 1911 have fallen by the wayside. We come to understand that the term "Mil-Spec" has less to
do with looks and more to do with function and subtle features.

I keep threatening to make some tooling that will locate and make the
small cut in the spring plugs. I need to quit talking and get on it!

Cheers!
Tuner
 
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Have to Clear this up

A member wrote to let me know that there may be something I need to edit, but since the time lapsed on my edit option, I'll tag this on.

The left leg of the sear spring needs to go on top of the sear...but the way I wrote it, it could be misunderstood, leading a first-time stripper to think
that it has to stay in the center of the sear. I should have written:

The left leg of the sear spring should go on top of the left leg of the sear.

Sorry if I mislead anybody.

Tuner
 
Tuna - you da 1911 (pattern ;) ) man! I keep re reading these instructional threads of yours and cannot thank you enough for the time and talent you put into em. All the best, bud! My regards to Mr. Keenan, Ole Fuff, et al who contribute mighty words to these most helpful epistles! :D
 
I just wanted to post and say thankyou to 1911tuner! I followed the instructions and it went smooth the very first try.

I've completely detail stripped the slide and frame 20 times today to make sure I can do it without needing to log online.

Good walkthrough:)
 
Strip Tease

He said:

I just wanted to post and say thankyou

Mighty welcome guys
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I've completely detail stripped the slide and frame 20 times today to make sure I can do it without needing to log online.

See? it really AIN'T a Swiss watch.:cool: You'll soon get to the point that you can gut the thing before a lotta guys can field-strip one. :D

Cheers!
Tuner
 
I also Would like to thank all of you pistol gurus who have contributed to this wealth of 1911 information. I have been seriously interested in making gunsmithing my future occupation. Thanks so much for providing this information for complete dissasembley of the slide and frame. It was a bit scary putting it back together the first time, but now after having done it dozens of time, you folks have given me the confidence to work and learn on my own firearms ina safe and cautious manner, and to continue my gunsmithing education formally. Thanks again folks!
 
Are they real?

I want to see a picture of Turner and Jim Keenan because I don't think they are human. The wealth of information you gentlemen provide has made a lot of happy campers when faced with a hiccup on the 1911....I'm a happy camper. Many thanks.

Semper Fi.

Cross Rhodes
 
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