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1911: FL guide rod: Why?

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Many FLGRs are NOT captive assemblies.

I don't fret about them, myself. Some folks replace them if the gun comes so equipped, but that isn't a huge deal for me. I might do it if I ever think of it when putting together a Brownell's order, but they don't hurt the function of my guns.

I sure wouldn't spend money for one.
 
just my opinion. You can do it other ways but most of todays rear sights dont provide a catch to rack it 1 handed. Why dont you inform us of the other ways instead of :neener:

We can all be more informed that way. Thought that was the purpose of the froums anyways.
 
I will never use one in a carry gun. Not only do they prevent the ability to cycle the slide as described earlier (yes there are other ways and I'd like to be able to use them all at any time), they also preven the ability to do a press-check. This may not be important to most people.

There is no "spring-bind" in a 1911. No way it can happen.

2-piece FLGRs have come appart on people in carry guns many times. 1-piece FLGRs require a tool to field strip the gun.

If you feel an additional 1.5oz is gonna overcome the force of recoil from a .45acp round, you're mistaken.

They serve no purpose whatsoever.

While there are no benefits, the detriments are there, whether they are important to you or not is another story but I won't add anything to a gun that doesn't serve some sort of purpose over the original design.
 
There is no "spring-bind" in a 1911. No way it can happen.
HUH......sure it can if you have the wrong spring, ok really it can happen maybe not so much on stock gi type guns but custom build STI and SV guns it can and does happen thats why those guns come with guide rods.
 
they also preven the ability to do a press-check.

What? Sure you can press check. You can't do it where you hook your thumb in the trigger guard (bad idea anyway) and your index finger around the lower portion of the slide over the recoil spring end cap (right next to the muzzle), but you can press check just fine with other methods.

I always get a kick out of supposedly safety conscious instructors who caution on allowing anything inside the trigger guard unless you are about to fire and then will press check by hooking their thumb inside the guard, LOL.
 
(...FLGRs) also preven the ability to do a press-check.
No, they don't. They require the use of a slightly different technique.

1-piece FLGRs require a tool to field strip the gun.
Not necessarily. I have one such gun in the shop right now...

If you feel an additional 1.5oz is gonna overcome the force of recoil from a .45acp round, you're mistaken.
I'm afraid you're wrong on this one, too. The FLGR can help smooth out the recoil cycle, and the additional weight can help the sights return to target faster. It can also be used to adjust the balance point of a lightened gun.

Most casual shooters are not used to watching the sights all the way through the recoil cycle, so they would likely see no benefit from a FLGR. But the difference is there - I can tell the difference between a GI setup and a FLGR just by shooting them side-by-side.

- Chris
 
I just replaced mine with a plug and GI guide rod. It is worth it just for take down purposes. I kept losing the tool for the 1 piece and I hated to look for the hex wrench for the 2 piece.
 
Chris said:

“I can tell the difference between a GI setup and a FLGR just by shooting them side-by-side.”

As can I. However I added my comments I had put here on the issue (see post # 13) to a forum of respected people and got a response from someone I know is an experienced person in the ways of 1911s, and besides telling me he thought all my comments were totally off base he said:

"The 1911A1 type weapon was not designed to use a full length guide rod and they are a genuine and proven liability to reliability, especially in dirty conditions."

Obviously, I knew the former, but the latter comment is news to me. Everything I have read, talked to others, etc, etc was they had no effects on reliability one way or another. So, I guess you learn something every day. However, I also think the persons particular situation might need to be taken into account. Ergo, it's highly unlikely I will ever have a 1911 in dirty conditions to the point the guide rod would actually effect function. Oh well, I am happy to defer to those with much greater expertise then I in this area. Yes, I know the top names in the smith world etc. are almost universally anti FLGR. For example, Hilton Yam said:

"No full-length guide rods. Period. They add nothing to function, make takedown more difficult, add useless weight, and reduce options for one handed cycling. For stock format guide rods, the stock Colt is the best, with the Ed Brown units being a very good choice for kit guns"

However, he didn't say they reduced reliability either...:eek:
 
Where does the talk of tools for one piece FLGR keep coming from? I have never needed any special tool. I push down the plug, turn the bushing with my hand (if it's not a tight fitted bushing that needs a bushing wrench) and out comes spring and plug, and done. What's this tool needed for one piece FLGR breakdown mentioned? I have 3 1911s with, two with one piece FLGR, and have yet to use any special tool for break down. Me confused...:eek:
 
Will,

Well, what can I say? There are lots of people out there with varying opinions. If you've tried the FLGR and you like it, you're way ahead of the game.

I do think that most of the resistance to FLGRs is just entrenched purism among the "tactical" shooting community.

Dave Dawson, Matt McLearn, Benny Hill, Bob Brazos, Dan Bedell, and many other gunsmiths build guns with FLGRs that run and run and run, so the reliability concern is, in my opinion, a myth.

- Chris
 
Will,

Well, what can I say? There are lots of people out there with varying opinions. If you've tried the FLGR and you like it, you're way ahead of the game.

I do think that most of the resistance to FLGRs is just entrenched purism among the "tactical" shooting community.

Dave Dawson, Matt McLearn, Benny Hill, Bob Brazos, Dan Bedell, and many other gunsmiths build guns with FLGRs that run and run and run, so the reliability concern is, in my opinion, a myth.

- Chris
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and if you dont like them then dont use them'
End of discussion!
 
I'm told I should put a FLGR in it, but noone can tell me WHY.

I do just the opposite. Whenever I buy a 1911 with a FLGR, I immediately replace it with a standard GI guide rod. It works just a well and makes take down easier.
 
On both my Gold Cup and Combat Elite I run a solid FLGR. I think they were made by Ed Brown or maybe EGW. One of my SW1911s has a FLGR as well. The common thread between these three 1911s is they all have adjustable sights.

I have not noticed any difference in cycling, in accuracy, in reliability, or the weather when I shoot these pistols. Women still find me charming, my dog still loves me, and the milk in the refrigerator has not gone sour. However, the air conditioner in my house went kaput for two Summers in a row, and the air conditioner in my Grand Cherokee had to be repaired as well.

I run a GI set up in all my other 1911s, except the Kimber Pro Carry which is bushingless, and the Colt New Agent and Colt Compact. The GI set-up guns run reliably and accurately.

I've found that I need a bushing wrench (I use a Kings wrench) to strip the FLGR guns. The edge of the recoil plug hole is just too narrow to comfortably press it back to turn the bushing for me.

Some folks have asked me why, if I do not advocate FLGRs, do I run them in my three target 1911s. The answer is quite simple. The pistols came to me that way, and I see no reason to change the FLGR out.

Out of curiosity, on each pistol with a FLGR, I swapped in a GI set-up from another gun. I saw no difference in the pistol's performance, or in my own. I saw no reason to order a GI set-up for the FLGR guns, or a FLGR for the GI set-up guns. The FLGRs went back into the target guns. Perhaps I'm just not shooting at the level that a FLGR makes a difference, but that was what I found.
 
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+1000
and if you dont like them then dont use them'
End of discussion!
Wow talk about hitting the nail on the head. I have been a real long time lurker here on THR and a subject as trivial as this should never have gone on or been argued this much! GOOD GREIF!
 
I started shooting Bullseye back in the 80s as a young man. I was told that the FLG was to aid competetive shooters. Being a young man back then I never questioned the wisdom. Now alot older and a little wiser, I can see that it is not really necessary. If you plan to use it in a SD role then the way that JMB designed it is the way that it should be carried. If it is a range pistol, then add all the cream and sugar that you want, since weight and bulk will not be a factor
 
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and if you dont like them then dont use them'
End of discussion!
Wow talk about hitting the nail on the head. I have been a real long time lurker here on THR and a subject as trivial as this should never have gone on or been argued this much! GOOD GREIF!

Lets remember what the OP ask
I'm told I should put a FLGR in it, but noone can tell me WHY.

So- explain?

OP wanted some information on why he should put a FLGR in his new 1911.
Lots of people offering information, Do you feel that your opinions answer the question?
 
Lets remember what the OP ask
OP wanted some information on why he should put a FLGR in his new 1911.
Lots of people offering information, Do you feel that your opinions answer the question?
Absolutly corresc but every reason for or against has been hashed and rehashed atleast twice. I would think the op gets the picture by now. There is nothing new being added its turned into a bickering contest. Are we not more adult than this?
 
I do just the opposite. Whenever I buy a 1911 with a FLGR, I immediately replace it with a standard GI guide rod. It works just a well and makes take down easier.
Same here, kinda.

I buy a new spring plug and cut the FLGR down, then radius the edge with a poor man's lathe.
 
If it came with it I use it if not I don't.

On a local forum, a fella just bought his first 1911 and asked what he needed to buy - my response was ammo. I think one of the reasons that 1911s get their "change parts" reputation is that so many folks buy one and start putting goodies in it. I make sure mine have good mags and buy ammo...
 
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