1911: Is there such a thing?

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Hi all. Does anyone make a 1911-type with a 5" Commander slide but an Officer's short grip? I've seen 4" models with the shorter grip, but from what I've heard, a 1911 needs the full slide. A shorter grip would make it easier to conceal.
 
5": Government
4": Commander
4" short grip": Officer
3" : Micro.


A Commander length grip is easy to hide, it's just a matter of a good holster.
 
You are looking for a Colt CCO. I believe it stands for Concealed Carry Officers, but I may be mistaken. They have been out of production for awhile, but I understand that a recent run was made. Wildalaska may know more.
 
A CCO is a Commander length barrel (4.25") with an Officer's grip frame. I'm not aware of a 5" with an Officer's grip frame.
(But I bet somewhere, sometime, someone has cut down a Gov't grip frame and tried it.)
 
5": Government
4": Commander
4" short grip": Officer
3" : Micro.

A real Commander barrel is 4.25". An Officer's barrel is 3.5".

4" barrels are Kimber's and Springfield's attempt at Commander-like pistols. There might not be much functional difference in the extra 0.25", but it does make a real Commander look right proportionally, unlike the too-truncated 4" versions.
 
IIRC a Government slide will fit on an Officers ACP frame, but the dustcover is too short and a gap will show... not good.

I second the 'try for a Commander slide' suggestion that others have posted.
 
It can be custom built, but I don't know of any production models available. The reciever would either have to be cut, or preferably ordered new with the custom demensions. That's the only way I would build one, off of a Caspian lower custom cut.
 
As mentioned B4....

The Commander is a 4.25 inch barrel. The Commander slide mated to an Officer's frame is a Colt Conceal Carry Officer's(CCO).
It is a sweet, well balanced pistol. It has been discontunied, but used ones can be found with careful shopping. I have heard rumors via www.1911.org, thru the Gunsite sunsmitty that Colt is podering reintroducing it!
The Kimber version is a 4" barrel called the Compact. They have a really nice version called the CDP Compact(Custom Defense Pistol) with night sights and a 'meltdown' where the sharp edges are rounded off.
I prefer the simpler bushing arrangement of the Colt, myself.
Jercamp45
 
(But I bet somewhere, sometime, someone has cut down a Gov't grip frame and tried it.)

In Massad Ayoob's 2003 Complete Book of Handguns (a Harris publication), there is an article entitled "Lookin' Cool With Your Kimber" whose owner (a student in Ayoob's school) did just that. Cylinder & Slide did the work on it. It cost him nearly a grand, this on top of the price of the gun. I wish I had more money than sense. ;)
 
Picked Up MY Colt Gunsite CCO today

Very nice...can't wait to shoot it

If it shoots half as good as it looks, there will be a 1911SC in the for sale forum!
 
5" barrel + standard grip = Government
4¼" barrel + standard grip = Commander
3½" barrel + short grip = Officers ACP (Compact if 1991A1)
3" barrel + short grip = Defender
4¼" barrel + short grip = Concealed Carry Officers (C.C.O.)
3½" barrel + standard grip = absurd (but people WILL buy it)


Of course the above are Colt lengths and trademarked names.


All sorts of other sizes and silliness may be available from other companies.
 
Picked Up MY Colt Gunsite CCO today

I had four of those on order before Shot Show...when I fondled one, I doubled the order...

Let ME know how it shoots...

PS...how does the scandium shoot?

WildikeepplayinwithitAlaska
 
I almost found out how it shoots yesterday...

Reports on 1911forum have been real postitive

I picked it up on my lunch hour and almost headed to the range instead of back to work.

(The S&W shoots great...I am real happy with it)
 
Unfortunately, the weather gang got it right for once and it is snowing....

So unless I break down and go for it I am probably a couple days from shooitng.

The more time I spend with it, the more I like it

I stuck it in a Cen-Dex IWB holser and it disappeared. I think the shorter butt with the 4.25" barrel may just be the ideal CCW piece. Concealing the barrel is not ususally an issue...and the 4.25" are more reliable (YMMV) than the officers or defender length. The officers length grip is just fine for my hand...no wandering pinkie like on a baby glock.

It appears to be about the same/less weight as my 1911SC...I have not weighed them. This does not bode well for the SC

Now I might be more torn if S&W comes out with a Scandium CCO!
 
Quote: (But I bet somewhere, sometime, someone has cut down a Gov't grip frame and tried it.)

Quote: I wish I had more money than sense. James Bondrock, you have not been talking to my wife about this, have you... :D

The chopped Kimber James Bondrock made reference to is mine. :p

To give everyone the scoop on the modifications done to the gun (which started life as a series 1 Kimber Classic Stainless), in addition to having the grip cut down to officers length, I had Cylinder and Slide do all the usual 1911 things to the Kimber; Barsto Barrel, trigger job, checkering, nite sights (green front/yellow rear), bead blasted finish, spring steel extractor, and a C&S narrow thumb safety. The slide to frame fit was left as is. It shoots right to the point of aim and, if I am doing my part, into a single ragged hole. The cost for the work was $1,400, of which $350 related to the grip shortening.

The gun runs like a champ, even in rather nasty conditions. For example, I fired 350 rounds in a steady rain and 40 degree temps (LFI I) without a failure of any kind. About 4k rounds through the gun now and it continues to run without any issues.

Ok, to answer the "Why?" question, I had been carrying a fullsize Wilson, but I wanted a shorter grip for better concealment. I did not, however, want the potential reliability problems short 1911s can sometimes have. As I have no problem concealing a 5 inch barrel, this gun gives me the same concealability as a compact 1911 with the reliability of a 5 inch gun.

The beauty of the 1911 platform is that you can tailor the gun to your preferences. This gun suits my needs to a T.

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Well, I got a little range time in today...left work early to up and shoot in the snow.

Only time for about 75-80 rounds of ball...mostly blazer...some WWbox

Very accurate although it took me a few rounds to stop grouping to the left.

Totally reliable and pretty fun to shoot...although that flat MS Housing digs into my palm a little

I can't wait to get up there when I have more time to really wring it out
 
Welcome Aboardâ„¢ BriGuy1

Since you are the first person I have found that actually did the 5" OfficersACP thing, I have a question for you.

How would you compare the handling and carrying qualities of your gun compared to a full size Government model with a Bobtail grip conversion?
 
Hi Bluesbear, thanks for the warm welcome!

I considered the bobtail when I was spec-ing out the custom work on the Kimber, but I did not think it would have solved the specific problem I was trying to solve. I carry in a Rosen ARG behind the right hip. The angle of the ARG makes it easy to conceal a big gun, but I have the handicap of being tall and skinny! I wanted to be able to bend, stoop, reach, and sit crosslegged on a floor, without printing. Oh, and I wanted to be able to have a full firing grip on the draw stroke, so an extra deep IWB would not fill the bill either. The fullsize grip stuck out when sitting crosslegged on the floor, (the whole grip, not just the grip corner). The only solutions I could come up with were chop the grip or gain about 30 pounds. :rolleyes:

As far as handling goes, my hands just fit the officers grip, so the 5 inch officers and fullsize shoot the same for me.
 
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