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1911 Magazine Analysis

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Candiru

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I recently had the opportunity to compare some 1911 magazines and decided to write up my observations so that others could benefit (or at least be amused) by what I saw. There's not a whole lot I can say that didn't make it into the writeup, so I'll just give you the link and let you draw your own conclusions: http://how-i-did-it.org/magazines

Let me know what you think.
 
Wow!

Pretty exhaustive and well planned tests. Thanks.

The only thing I can add is that Of the three mags (Novak, Wolf, Wilson Combat) I have for my 1911 (S&W 5" blue steel, external extractor), the only one I've had trouble with is the Wilson Combat (several failures to go into battery). Both Novaks and the Wolf have flat top followers, the Wolf has a dimple. I'm selling the Wilson. It just doesn't work. For me.
 
Nice effort & write up
As a result of my lastest 1911 acquisition, I now have 11 Wilson mags that have proven to me to be reliable & long lasting!
 
For my colt 1991A1 I have the OEM 7rd, a Wilson Combat 8rd, and five Chip McCormic 8rd. I have yet to have a failure to feed, stovepipe, or failure to lock open on last round with any of them. The WC is the one that resides in the gun but I would be comfortable with any of them as my goto magazine.
 
Fantastic! I have long waited for an article comparing different 1911 magazines. I will perhaps someday do my own.

Controlled feed is the 1911's greatest strength and greatest weakness; when parts are in spec, the controlled feed mechanism produces an autoloader that can be fired from any angle with almost any ammunition while producing revolver-like reliability. The downside is that magazine design plays far more of a role in reliable operation than in other guns. It's not really fair to say 1911s are magazine-sensitive, though, since few other guns can boast the range of magazine designs inflicted on the 1911. Recent complaints about the M9's unreliability under desert conditions have widely assigned blame to the cheap aftermarket magazines provided, and I suspect even the vaunted Glock reliability would transmogrify into the 1911's jam-o-matic reputation if Glocks were also saddled with the expectation they would feed from anything capable of being jammed into the magwell.
More true words have never been spoken.
 
Candiru,

Great write up!

Can you provide us with the Brownell's part number for the Colt Magazines with the hybrid follower?

Everything I found had a round follower.

Also, which Brownell's part # for the 11 pound Wolf Mag spring?

Thanks

CB
 
Superb job, great info! Thanks!

From Brownells ~ "OV'T & OFFICERS ACP - .45 ACP - Extra-power springs help stabilize the follower for improved feeding performance with full power loads. 8-Round - 5% extra power fits new Gov't/Commander, plus Shooting Star magazines; 7-Round - 11 lb. rating, fits Gov't/Commander, Officers ACP only, except Wilson Combat."

7-round Wolff spring: 969-713-710

8-round Wolff spring: 969-714-610

Couldn't find the mags . . .
 
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Maybe they can move this info to the gunsmithing section as a sticky!
 
Thanks! I really appreciate your taking the time to write that up and post it. Definitely food for thought.
 
Update

I've added an Appendix where additional magazine analyses will go. First up in the Appendix is a pair of magazines sold as USGI.
 
The dozen or so USGI "forgeries" I have that were sold by AIM Surplus last year have worked very well for me. These have the "wadcutter" release. The "GI" mags that Sportman's Guide sold last year for $6 have the tapered release and also have given no problems in any of my 1911s so far. I've also a fair number of trhe 8-round MecGar/Novak's and Shooting-Star/CMC. Again no problems in any of my guns. I have discarded a few bad mags over the years, but have never seen the need to spend more that whan the CMC stainless cost (~$15 each). I've replaced more mag springs than I've thrown away bad mags.

--wally.
 
I recently got to speak with the Manager of Quality at Para-Ordnance, who point ou a few things I had gotten incorrect in my analysis. I've updated the analysis and I'm bumping this thread in the interests of full disclosure and making sure Para gets fairly represented.
 
Hybrid

cbmax...It's not the follower that's "hybrid." It's the feed lip geometry.
I've tried to make several folks understand how the magazine is supposed to present the cartridge to the extractor and to the chamber...but it's been largely a matter of :banghead:

Until I had a few guys with feed problems come by and actually watch it happen...and compare the difference in the feeding angle between the mags with parallel/early/abrupt release and the ones with the tapered/late/gradual release. When they saw and felt the difference, they immediately offered to buy my magazines.

To order...They're in the Brownells catalog back in the Colt factory parts section. Blue or stainless...7-round only. If you order the 8-round magazine, you won't get the good ones. Cross your fingers and hope that you get Check-Mate contract mags. They have springs that are on par with Wolff's.

You may be able to specify when you order. Ask for the ones with the "C" stamped on the baseplate.

To read more, search for "Magazine Observations" here.
 
why can't these people make a single spec mag that would work for ALL 1911? If they can put guys on the moon and back, this which-magazine-that-work idiocy should be placed in the can already.
 
Got anything constructive to add? I didn't think so.:rolleyes: Maybe when you truly learn something about which you speak you should chime in?:D
 
Why?

The question:

>why can't these people make a single spec mag that would work for ALL 1911?<
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They did...but the gun has to be within spec, too. The magazine is just part of the whole system. The magazine can't cure a feed ramp or a barrel ramp cut to the wrong angle, though a good magazine design can
make those areas a bit less critical.
 
1911Tuner,

Will those magazines work in my scandium frame S&W commander?

I need some spares.

Thanks
 
why can't these people make a single spec mag that would work for ALL 1911? If they can put guys on the moon and back, this which-magazine-that-work idiocy should be placed in the can already.
Well, if everyone would just make an identical 1911 we probably could.

Actually, milspec 1911s seem to work nicely with milspec 1911 magazines. Hmm. One standard 1911 design, working well with one standard 1911 magazine design. How bizarre.

The problem is part and parcel of what makes 1911s great; everyone makes one, and not everyone makes them the same.

Mike
 
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