GuysModel94
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Your Welcome and i do love discussing topics on this forum, i've learned alot in the last month or so. By the way what do IDPA and SSP stand for?
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1911 Opinoins - S&W vs Sig
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IDPA is International Defensive Pistol Association.
It was formed by a some legends of defensive pistol shooting (Bill Wilson, Larry Vickers, Ken Hackathorne, and Walt Rauch) as a counter to the growing gamesmanship in IPSC/USPSA.
They wanted to return practical shooting to its more PRACTICAL purposes. As such, they formed a club that:
1) requires the use of concealed carry style holsters. No skeleton holsters
2) bans the use of compensators
3) requires the guns to use stock controls
Essentially the idea was to lower the cost of entry and increase the applicability of the skills developed by playing the game to actual defensive pistolcraft.
In short, its the other large and influential practical pistol league.
SSP or Stock Service Pistol is the most popular IDPA class. Its the class that most people who shoot Glocks, S&W M&Ps or any other traditional double action or double action only pistol in 9mm or .40 falls.
The classification is based on a standard course of fire. The order goes
unclassified
marksman
sharpshooter
expert
master
grandmaster
So a classification of expert shows that you have some fundamental skills, but are by no means exceptional.
Don
It was formed by a some legends of defensive pistol shooting (Bill Wilson, Larry Vickers, Ken Hackathorne, and Walt Rauch) as a counter to the growing gamesmanship in IPSC/USPSA.
They wanted to return practical shooting to its more PRACTICAL purposes. As such, they formed a club that:
1) requires the use of concealed carry style holsters. No skeleton holsters
2) bans the use of compensators
3) requires the guns to use stock controls
Essentially the idea was to lower the cost of entry and increase the applicability of the skills developed by playing the game to actual defensive pistolcraft.
In short, its the other large and influential practical pistol league.
SSP or Stock Service Pistol is the most popular IDPA class. Its the class that most people who shoot Glocks, S&W M&Ps or any other traditional double action or double action only pistol in 9mm or .40 falls.
The classification is based on a standard course of fire. The order goes
unclassified
marksman
sharpshooter
expert
master
grandmaster
So a classification of expert shows that you have some fundamental skills, but are by no means exceptional.
Don
Sig for me. I own a half-dozen 1911's, and it is my hands-down favorite. I expect it may fail to load, eject, or fire someday, but it hasn't yet. Not once.
S&Ws are very nice, too, though; it's a wonderful era in which to be purchasing a pistol!
~Tizona
S&Ws are very nice, too, though; it's a wonderful era in which to be purchasing a pistol!
~Tizona
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P-32
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I would lean towards the S&W. S&W's customer service was good to me. I handled a early Sig 1911 and found all the edges were sharp. The owner asked me to dehorn the Sig for him but I declined as there was no way I could Duplicate the finish.
Who ever said a tight 1911 would not be reliable has not fired a tuned 1911. When I was in the Navy we shot tuned 1911's and never had a problem. If they got cranky we just added more oil. Taking a match 1911 apart for cleaning might be done once a year.
Who ever said a tight 1911 would not be reliable has not fired a tuned 1911. When I was in the Navy we shot tuned 1911's and never had a problem. If they got cranky we just added more oil. Taking a match 1911 apart for cleaning might be done once a year.
Tizona - you raise a great point about it being a wonderful era to be buying a pistol
I call the 70s and 80s the dark days of gun manufacturing. The makers had given up on a lot of the hand fitting because labor was too expensive, but modern CNC machining centers with their .0005 tolerances had not yet come into being.
The worst of all worlds.
A $1000 machine-made S&W is nearly the functional equivalent of a $2000 hand fitted Les Baer or a $3000 hand fitted Wilson.
About all you give up is a bit of accuracy and maybe some aesthetics.
S&W was one of the first gun makers to embrace CNC systems as well as modern quality assurance practices. They are also considered to be among the leaders in MIM parts.
These two things mean that S&W is an excellent choice for a reasonably priced 1911.
Don
I call the 70s and 80s the dark days of gun manufacturing. The makers had given up on a lot of the hand fitting because labor was too expensive, but modern CNC machining centers with their .0005 tolerances had not yet come into being.
The worst of all worlds.
A $1000 machine-made S&W is nearly the functional equivalent of a $2000 hand fitted Les Baer or a $3000 hand fitted Wilson.
About all you give up is a bit of accuracy and maybe some aesthetics.
S&W was one of the first gun makers to embrace CNC systems as well as modern quality assurance practices. They are also considered to be among the leaders in MIM parts.
These two things mean that S&W is an excellent choice for a reasonably priced 1911.
Don
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I own a Sig 1911 and absolutely love it. I have only fired about 500 rounds out of it but have not had one single issue of FTF or FTE. And I have shot a couple hundred rounds of Tula steel case ammo without issue.
I am sure the S&W 1911 is a fine pistol as well, but I really like my SIG and have no concerns about its quality, accuracy or reliability
I own a Sig 1911 and absolutely love it. I have only fired about 500 rounds out of it but have not had one single issue of FTF or FTE. And I have shot a couple hundred rounds of Tula steel case ammo without issue.
I am sure the S&W 1911 is a fine pistol as well, but I really like my SIG and have no concerns about its quality, accuracy or reliability
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