$1m security system at state capitol can't stop CCW.

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Capitol In The Crosshairs

November 12, 2004

By Keith Eldridge

OLYMPIA - A new more secure state capitol building is just reopening after years of renovation. Metal detectors and X-ray machines are in place.

But critics say there's a loophole in the protection plan. Concealed handguns can get through the security system.

The Legislative Building in Olympia is home for lawmakers, the governor, and for hundreds of people every day. But until now, this building had no security screening at all.

Now everyone, including lawmakers, will be screened. X-ray machines and metal detectors are going in at every door.

"I understand the need for it," State Rep. Jim Moeller said. "The world has changed and we'd better recognize those changes and move forward with it."

But there is one weapon this $1 million system cannot stop. Handguns must be allowed through Capitol security. As long as the owner of the gun has a concealed weapons permit, guards can't stop him or her.

Capitol visitor Elisa Lui says she doesn't understand why. "That's the whole point of security is to make sure that there are no weapons that can hurt people."

Capitol visitor Anthony Auriemma added, "To be able to take a gun in the building when at the same time they're going to have strict security doesn't make any sense."

Capitol visitor Sharon Potts-Terhune has the permit, but won't bring her gun anywhere near the Capitol.

"I wouldn't carry it in any state or county courthouse or anything like that. There's no sense in it," she said.

The state agency that oversees Capitol security says it has no choice. It has to let licensed gun owners carry a weapon.

"Yes, it does sound strange," said Steve Valandra of state General Administration. "But there's nothing the department can do to forbid handguns in the Capitol."

It's all because a couple from Gig Harbor, Merton and Myrtle Cooper, complained to the state.

"Gun-free zone is a defenseless victim-rich zone," said Myrtle Cooper. "You think of Columbine, there was no one in that school building that could have stopped those two kids."

The Coopers wrote the state complaining that it doesn't have the legal authority to keep guns out of the Capitol. State attorneys studied the issue and agreed they're right. State law allows it.

"If somebody were up there in the gallery and wanted to shoot down at the people or shoot at anybody or anywhere, I feel it's my duty to try and stop it," Merton Cooper said.

State legislators have outlawed guns at courthouses, bars and schools, but not the Capitol.

"It's the classic debate," Valandra said. "But the legislature is going to have to decide what it wants to continue."

Legislative Building Security Chief Dan Eikum says, "Perfectly safer would be to have no weapons inside this building at all. That would make the building as safe as we could possibly make it." But when he's asked, "But you don't have that option?" He answered, "Not today."

Eikum says the thing to remember is that up until now, there has been no security screening. Anyone could walk into this building with a concealed weapon and no one would know about it. Now they'll know. But, that's all security can do -- alert lawmakers as to who's packing a gun.

However, Merton Cooper says that defeats the purpose of a concealed weapon. He says it's not supposed to be known so there's no chance to intimate.

"That's right, you don't see it. So you're not worried, but it's here," he said. "I'm supposed to keep it concealed so it doesn't get anybody excited."

He's asked, "So the metal detector is going to shine the light on you?" He responds, "Right." But, the next time he goes to the Capitol, Cooper says he will be armed. It's his right and nobody can keep his gun out of the Capitol.

When the legislature convenes in January, there is sure to be a push to ban guns inside the Legislative Building. But there will also be a push to get rid of the security system altogether, saying it interferes with free access to the legislature.
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they'll never learn that we are the good guys will they?

Bobby
 
But there is one weapon this $1 million system cannot stop. Handguns must be allowed through Capitol security. As long as the owner of the gun has a concealed weapons permit, guards can't stop him or her.

I'm sure part two of this investigative expose will be "police officers can carry guns into the Capitol Building and schools."

Part three will be "as long as someone has a valid driver license, he can take his privately owned vehicle to drop-off and pick-up his children at school."

Part four will be "non-white people no longer have to sit at the back of the bus."

Part five will be "water is wet and the sky is blue."

Legislative Building Security Chief Dan Eikum says, "Perfectly safer would be to have no weapons inside this building at all. That would make the building as safe as we could possibly make it." But when he's asked, "But you don't have that option?" He answered, "Not today."

This moron wants to disarm the cops and security guards, too??!!!
 
Here in NV it's illegal to carry anyplace that has metal detectors at each entrance - I take it it's legal in Washington?
 
Valkman said:
Here in NV it's illegal to carry anyplace that has metal detectors at each entrance - I take it it's legal in Washington?

Thats not exactly true. You can carry anywhere you want to (even openly) as long as there is no law specifically prohibiting it. You cannot carry on ANY school grounds or government buildings. Metal detectors just happen to be in most of those places.

If the owner of a private piece of property doesn't want you to carry a gun, you are not allowed to. It IS, after all, private property. There is no law against carrying at a place with metal detectors.
 
I am no genius but if a person wanted to illegaly carry a gun in to the State Capitol he could shoot his way past a metal detector. Disarming law abiding citizens does not protect law abiding citizens.
 
Thats not exactly true. You can carry anywhere you want to (even openly) as long as there is no law specifically prohibiting it. You cannot carry on ANY school grounds or government buildings. Metal detectors just happen to be in most of those places.

That's not what the law says:

"Public building that is located on the property of a public airport.
On the premises of: A public building that is located on the property of a public school or the property of the University and Community College System of Nevada, unless the permittee has obtained written permission to carry a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building
A public building that has a metal detector at each public entrance or a sign posted at each public entrance indicating that no firearms are allowed in the building, unless the permittee is not prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building pursuant to subsection
The provisions above do not prohibit: (a) A permittee who is a judge from carrying a concealed firearm in the courthouse or courtroom in which he presides or from authorizing a permittee to carry a concealed firearm while in the courtroom of the judge and while traveling to and from the courtroom of the judge. (b) A permittee who is a prosecuting attorney of an agency or political subdivision of the United States or of this state from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of a public building. A permittee from carrying a concealed firearm while he is on the premises of the public building if the permittee has received written permission from the person in control of the public building to carry a concealed firearm while the permittee is on the premises of the public building.
Any component of the University and Community College System of Nevada and used for any purpose related to the system; The Federal Government, the State of Nevada or any county, city, school district or other political subdivision of the State of Nevada and used for any public purpose."
 
Bleh - the sad part is they've PROVEN that licensed CCW people are NOT the one's commiting crimes....

funny how that works....

Criminals arent' subjecting themselves to getting the lawfully mandated paperwork filled out so they can commit crimes w/ thier concealed handgun???

omg!

<shivers> I will never understand the stupidity involved when it comes to... <gasp> a criminal doesn't care if you post a sign.....

PRESUMEDLY (love my spelling) a CCW license holder DOES... not only do they - but PRESUMEDLY (sp again... rofl) they have the ability to ACT on a THREAT... vs.... hoping they don't get shot.

Funny how the lib media/side/whatnot say... columbine would have been "crossfire" instead of....? erm... i dunno... oh YA - a ONE sided affair where kids/adults were getting SHOT....

<shakes head>

for the record - no matter WHAT building i'm in - i'll take a licensee covering my butt vs. a uncovered butt and a criminal pointing a gun....

Soon as i'm able - CHL in Texas will be mine...

J/Tharg!
 
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