1st try at bedding, how do I deal with the action screws?

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I've read and watched video until I'm blue in the face, but I just seem to be missing the part about how to ensure the action screws don't get stuck when you're bedding a rifle action.

I was going to attempt my first bedding job in a Ruger 77 MkII (Synthetic stock) but it seems that as soon as I drop that action into the bedding material, it's going to get into the threads. I could fill that hole with modeling clay, but then how do I tighten down the action screws? And is release agent on the screws really enough to keep it from getting stuck in the receiver?

Any help/suggestions would be appreciated. I've been wanting to bed my two 77's for a while now, but this is the one thing I'm just not sure about.

Thanks.
 
Go to the Brownells site. They sell "T" handle screws just for bedding. I bet the have tutorial videos on that site too.
 
We first dipped the action into release agent. We then filled the holes with modeling clay to prevent the bedding material from entering it. We clamped the action to the stock and let it set.

I made a tool for separating the stock from the action. Modeled after my instructor's (Prof. Glen Morovitzs) tool, it was like a pipe with the bottom removed so as to fit over the action and rest against the wood. A threaded metal bar was slid into the action and then secured with a threaded rod through the top of the pipe (via a hole in the pipe). By tightening the rod, it forced the action and the stock to separate. My version is ugly because it was from scrap metal given to me by the tool room. Someone had already put an ugly gouge in the center but since it doesn't affect how the tool works, I couldn't realy complain.
 
vaseline petroleum jelly when using brownells acraglas

Thanks. What you're saying is that coating the action screws with p.j. and then inserting them through the bedding compound into the action? Won't that force some of the bedding compound up into the threads?
 
Thanks. What you're saying is that coating the action screws with p.j. and then inserting them through the bedding compound into the action? Won't that force some of the bedding compound up into the threads?

Yes, some bedding (acraglas) may go into the well lubed action holes. Bedding should not stick to the screws. If some does, it should be ease to remove.

I put the stock screws in before the Acraglas. I just bed the front lug and maybe tack the rear . No pillar bedding like today. Masking tape holds screws on the bottom. As i lower the action, it makes contact with the screws first, pushing them down. I use vaseline on any metal as a release agent. Latex putty to build dams

I have not done any plastic stocks, just wood with the Acraglas. Acraglas may not be usable with synthetic rifle stocks.
 
You just aren't committed to accuracy enough if you expect to take the stock off ever again ;)
 
Everyone has their own bedding procedures. I do not use bedding screws to pull the action into the stock. Instead I use clamps to seat the action. On most actions I use long guide screws which are coated with release agent, paste wax for me. Action screws should never touch the stock so after the bedding job is done, I drill the holes oversize.
The M-77 action with the angled front screw present a challenge. Instead of using a guide screw, I fill the screw hole in the stock and the threads in the action with modeling clay then bed, using the clamps as described. After the stock and action are separated, I drill the clay out of the stock and clean it out of the threads.
 
You just aren't committed to accuracy enough if you expect to take the stock off ever again ;)

LOL. I have one rifle (my .280) that if the stock got welded on, I wouldn't care. That's the one I'm doing first, because my other one HAS to work.
 
Everyone has their own bedding procedures. I do not use bedding screws to pull the action into the stock. Instead I use clamps to seat the action. On most actions I use long guide screws which are coated with release agent, paste wax for me. Action screws should never touch the stock so after the bedding job is done, I drill the holes oversize.
The M-77 action with the angled front screw present a challenge. Instead of using a guide screw, I fill the screw hole in the stock and the threads in the action with modeling clay then bed, using the clamps as described. After the stock and action are separated, I drill the clay out of the stock and clean it out of the threads.
I sure like this idea. Thanks.
 
So I think I'll try kp321's idea and fill the screw holes with modeling clay, then lightly clamp the action to the stock and see what happens. My "test run" will be my .280 and if that works well, I'll try my 7x57 next.
 
I've read and watched video until I'm blue in the face, but I just seem to be missing the part about how to ensure the action screws don't get stuck when you're bedding a rifle action.

I was going to attempt my first bedding job in a Ruger 77 MkII (Synthetic stock) but it seems that as soon as I drop that action into the bedding material, it's going to get into the threads. I could fill that hole with modeling clay, but then how do I tighten down the action screws? And is release agent on the screws really enough to keep it from getting stuck in the receiver?

Any help/suggestions would be appreciated. I've been wanting to bed my two 77's for a while now, but this is the one thing I'm just not sure about.

Thanks.
get an extra set of screws, cut off the heads and coat with mold release, then use surgical rubber tubing to hold tension between stock and action, check set-up every 20 minutes until everything just gets tack free and remove the action from the stock and let it finish curing
 
get an extra set of screws, cut off the heads and coat with mold release, then use surgical rubber tubing to hold tension between stock and action, check set-up every 20 minutes until everything just gets tack free and remove the action from the stock and let it finish curing
I considered that, but the angled front action screw on the M77 Ruger presents a bit of an issue. I couldn't have both screws in the action at the same time, and install the action in the stock I don't think. But I could do it with the front action screw, and then just lightly clamp the rear.
 
I took some thin walled brass tubing (and in one case aluminum) and slide/glue over hardware store SS long bolts. You can buy thin-walled tubing at hobby stores that cater to RC Plane builders. I'm lucky because our hardware has a big selection, so I can usually find the right thread. If not, cut off the threaded part and re-thread as needed.

Point being you want smooth walled straight shank slippery surfaces that will allow the bedding to set with the action aligned as it will be when installed. The thin-walled tube bolt cover gives a slight clearance for the future real action screws. Or, you can use good tape to make the clearance cover. But most tape does not come out as well as metal... In one case I used a plastic straw from DQ to slip over the action screws.

That's why Brownell's sells the T handle long screws. They are shiny and with wax or PJ they don't bond. They extend up through the stock enough so you can pour in your epoxy compound while the barrel and action are "up", and then push down into the bedding while it sets. I just make my own long ones from local materials ...

I do not use the screws/bolts to do any clamping. They are just a guide. I use surgical tubing or saran wrap and small bungee cords to hold it all together while it cures. Surgical tubing will usually come free of epoxy on its own. Bungee's will not without the Saran wrap.

You do not want any pressure points that you might get from using screw-down torque. The bedding is the "uniform" pad that develops after cure. Once it's hard (may take days to fully cure), the action and chamber area are uniformly supported w/o pressure points. The barrel generally free floats in it's channel without touching anything.

For wood stocks that may swell or change shape a bit with weather, I have been painting in a coat of CPES (Clear Penetrating Epoxy System) which is now available at many builders supplies. It's been used in the marine trades for decades.

You can tape up your stock and just leave the barrel channel exposed. Paint in the CPES until the wood will not take any more. Wait a few minutes and wipe it up with a rag. The wood will be stable and will not absorb water/moisture form that location any more.

Actually, since I'm usually doing a full refinish if I'm this far into the wood, I use aniline dye over bare wood which sets in about an hour, then CPES all over. When it's just tacky to the touch, I put on a coat of Min-Wax Polyurethane satin varnish which bonds to CPES like crazy (tacky/wet). Other brands of poly do not work as well.

The first bonded coat of poly will be followed up later with 5 or 6 more coats in satin for my final finish. It is my home version of the factory hard stock finishes, and it's pretty tough.

So that's bare wood, stain, CPES soaked in, Min-Wax Poly on the outside. Bedding epoxy under the action/chamber over CPES if you want. A coat of CPES in barrel channel and sling mount holes.

Let it sit for a week after popping the action then carefully sand and start the exterior finish. Somewhere in there, I reset the action to test and look for edges where I need to be careful with the Poly varnish. Sometimes a little file work so the bedding will release the action relatively easily when you want to clean/lube. It takes a week or two to do all this one coat at a time with 24 hour cures, sanding and re-coating.
 
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Thanks for all the replies and insight.

Step one of my bedding job is complete. I found a piece of hard plastic to take up the voids under the action and barrel on my Ruger synthetic stock. Trimmed to fit, then gouged out the stock surfaces and the plastic blocks and set them in place with JB weld. Gonna give those a couple days to set, and then I'll put in the clay dams, plug the screw holes with clay and proceed on with the process.
 
I've seen some bedding videos where they taped the recoil lug and some that didn't. The ones who taped it, one taped it on the back and another on the front. Any thoughts on this? Right now I have masking tape on the back (shooter side) and bottom of my Ruger recoil lug, figuring (like the one video I watched) that when I snug that puppy down I want a little room for that. I also want to make more sure that it will come out.

Any thoughts on this?
 
You just aren't committed to accuracy enough if you expect to take the stock off ever again ;)

Well I am committed now! ha, ha.

Finished prepping the stock - putty dams in place, mixed the epoxy and put it in place. Then I realized I forgot one detail - to fill the forward action screw hole with putty before putting the epoxy resin in. Doh! So I cleaned it out with a Q-tip and put the putty in from below. Not sure if that will work, but if I have to I can drill out that screw hole I guess.

I then plugged the rear screw hole and put a little epoxy in that space.

Next I prepped the barrel and action, using shoe polish followed by One Shot case lube spray, and then dropped the action into the stock very, very slowly.

I must not have used too much epoxy since none of it came squirting out the top. Just a drop or so came out around the tang, but nothing a Q-tip couldn't handle with ease.

Put the two quick clamps in place - just snug enough to hold things in but not tight. And walked away. Gonna give it until tomorrow afternoon and then see if I can pop it out. If so, great. If not, I won't be too upset as I have no plans to ever change stocks for that particular rifle. It would be nice if it worked well though, as I plan to do the same to my 7x57 and I absolutely have to have that one come apart.
 
On the recoil lug. I always tape the front, sides, and the bottom face. Never the back face. My reasoning is that I want it to not move rearwards even 0.020" under recoil. If the action needs to "squirm" around because of heat, it can wiggle a bit forward, but rearward is fixed. The front, sides and bottom make enough room to let me pull an action out. It's a very snug pull the first time, as in you'll have to pry apart. Once the tape is off, it's easier, but still no piece of cake ...

An old gunsmith I know (retired, hell I'm retired...) used to put two layers of good tape on the front, bottom, and sides of the recoil lug. He'd use paraffin on all faces so it would not stick, ever. He could usually pull a bedded action by hand w/o prying :)
 
He'd use paraffin on all faces so it would not stick, ever. He could usually pull a bedded action by hand w/o prying
I can vouch for this; back when I was fabricating K31 stripper clips from fabric & epoxy, I'd dip the form in parafin before laying up the material to cure. Came loose every time. A lot of stuff that you'd think is a release agent will either bond to or dissolve into the epoxy when it is applied, leaving no protection for the base material.

TCB
 
Good news... It came apart! :D I'm claiming a success regardless of how it shoots now. ha, ha.

I let it set up for about 8 hours, then pulled it apart tonight. Looks good although I could have used a little more material under the barrel I suppose. I can always go back with more later if I decide to. But the surface under the action and the recoil lug area look pretty good to me. Going to let it cure in the house tonight and go shoot it tomorrow evening.

Thoughts?
 

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24 hrs should be enough. Although all epoxy gets harder over time. But that looks pretty good. Yeah, could have used a smidge more, but it is 1st time and I think it'll be good to go :)

If you decide to go back in and add more, you will have to remove any "blush" that may have come to the surface. It's an artifact of curing. It's easy to do. Dawn soap and luke warm water and wash thoroughly. Wipe down with denatured alcohol. Then you can sand, or whatever. Never sand epoxy until blush is gone or you will smear it around and get no bond ...
 
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