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1. My RRA 6.8 upper and 4 25 rnd mags just got in today!! :D

Since I'm using the same lower, does this technically count as 2 guns? Love that minutiae!

2. For this past holiday, I'm considering buying my combat vet buddy an XD or similar poly in a caliber of his choice. From when I worked at a store I remember there was a "gift" clause or something, (guess I don't love minutiae that much :D) in the 4473. I want to surprise him, you know be like, "dude, you have to come with me to the store" and then go up to the counter and be "now choose...". Is there anyway to do this without it being straw??

Thanks as always!
 
Nope. The serial number is on the lower -- that's the gun. You have one rifle with a conversion kit -- no different than if you had bought a .22 conversion from Arthur Ciener.
 
Thanks for the answer Aguila!

For question 2, to be clear... Buddy and I can both obviously purchase/own. Just wondering if I would have to come back solo or whatnot.
 
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I don't think the gifted firearm works quite that way for friends. For immediate family members, there's some kind of a gift transfer, but between friends, I'm not aware of that.

The obvious way to do it (although more expensive), is to do what you say, and let him pick out the gun he wants, then YOU buy it (paperwork and all), then you turn right around and transfer it to him (paperwork and all). In my state, you'd probably still get all kinds of weird looks, though.

Hopefully an FFL who knows better will come along and answer the gift part.
 
I'm not an attorney, but I would imagine that as long as he is the one that fills out the 4473 and signs it and they run the check on him it shouldn't matter who hands them the money. Again an FFL opinion would help.
 
Nope, just one gun...BUT TWICE THE FUN!

I'm a poet and didn't even know it.:p


Am I dumb for never having heard the word "minutiae" before?

Man, I learn something new every day.:)
 
Make arangements with the dealer in question ahead of time. It is not a 'straw' anything if your pal can lawfully have the weapon gifted to him and no money is changingh hands. However, in this day and age, NO DEALER on earth is going to comfortable with two guys walking in off the street he doesn't know having this scenario play out--it looks some some new ATF or bloomberg sting operation. They flipped at Gander MTN when I wanted to put a gun my wife was papering to her on my credit card. Best bet--ask ahead of time--there is absolutely nothing I can see wrong with it barring local or state laws.


One caveat--I'm not certain if your pal is a resident of a different state if the 'transfer' you're making to him would be 100% lawful even if a gift as it is a handgun.
 
Thanks for the feedback!

A) Joe, "minutiae" - precise details or small or trifling matters. If you didn't already look it up.

I'M DUMB for liking it :D

B) Neo, He's in our wonderful state of crappy gun laws. He only won a bronze star and some other medals so if he didn't move back here he wouldn't get crap :evil:

C) This made think of another question, does engraving promote rust??? I want it to be a shooter for him.
 
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You're good in IL then if he has a FOID--just follow record keeping instructions on the tranfer of the gifted weapon (as a sale on the back of the FOID card or on the ISP site as well). Also, you have to make him wait 72 hrs after Y-O-U get the pistol before gifting and transferering it under IL law. Keep the record for 10 years without fail.

Engraving will promote rust if the finish isn't re-touched after the engraving.
Obviously, if you mean engraving the polymer--no problem there.
 
Thats what I was wondering, if re-touching is standard.

Thanks again for the Info all!
 
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