DammitBoy
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I just buy a box or two of something, everytime I go to walmart.
2012 Shortage/Hoarding Mega Thread
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Uhh...Maybe not as crazy as you think 22-Rimfire.
I bought a lot of Federal Blue Box centerfire hunting ammo in early 2008 because it was still cheap and I came into some money.
By deer hunting season in 08-09 even hunting ammo,although availible,was not as available as it once was.
In fact I sold a friend of mine a box of 6mm Remington ammo in the winter of 09 just so he could take his boy deer/hog hunting.
Supply and demand whether it's logical or not.
I bought a lot of Federal Blue Box centerfire hunting ammo in early 2008 because it was still cheap and I came into some money.
By deer hunting season in 08-09 even hunting ammo,although availible,was not as available as it once was.
In fact I sold a friend of mine a box of 6mm Remington ammo in the winter of 09 just so he could take his boy deer/hog hunting.
Supply and demand whether it's logical or not.
oldbear
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when I had to find Alternate storage space for my ammo and brass I realized I was well stocked.
BullfrogKen
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22-rimfire said:
Crazy talk?
I remember quite well not being able to buy primers, anywhere, at all for weeks. When they did become available, they were $45/1000. And you were happy to get it. Same with popular powder, or bullet components.
I thought it was crazy talk when it was happening. Until I ran low and went out to replenish one day. Then I realized a small little bit of the world had changed.
I vow never to be in that position again.
shiftyer1
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It didn't make me happy calling 8 different walmarts to find 9mm ammo last time. I don't believe i'll have to search this time. I learned my lesson!
They don't really go bad and spoil and it really sux when you have the urge or need to shoot something and can't find ammo for it. So it just makes sense to keep extra. Ammo tends to become scarce everytime the world's comming to an end!
Buy what you can in between the scares and panics and your demand will raise the supply. MAYBE?
They don't really go bad and spoil and it really sux when you have the urge or need to shoot something and can't find ammo for it. So it just makes sense to keep extra. Ammo tends to become scarce everytime the world's comming to an end!
Buy what you can in between the scares and panics and your demand will raise the supply. MAYBE?
ObsidianOne
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And I'm sure you acquired a supply some time ago correct?
Not waiting until the panic sets in when someone yells fire in a crowded theater.
This whole thing is a joke, yeah, I remember 9mm Luger being a myth, and waiting in line at Walmart for the shipment of .22LR to get in stock (can't say I recall the reloading components, as I wasn't into that during that time) and you might not even get a box, but encouraging people to stock up to get ready for the Great Ammo Famine is both counterproductive and irresponsible.
If you don't have a backup supply of ammunition and components then why wait until the last minute when things start going out of stock and punish the rest of us because you can't plan ahead?
Fishslayer
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They'll be at their furnaces a long time in Kalifornistan. No lead weights here anymore.
I'm stocking up, but more because the supply of steel free Yugo x39 is drying up and I need it for my Mini-30.
Like somebody else posted, I'm looking more toward natural disaster than any sort of EOW situation.
Living here the idea of bans & whatnot is not as farfetched as in Free States. Our lawmakers have an active agenda to disarm the law abiding citizenry. They tried to ban mail order ammo once & they will try it again.
Pietro Beretta
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The difference between 2008 and now; no one talked and discussed the issue -- it just happened.
Go to your local ammo stores; they have ammo, you can still find primers. Stock still is available and still come in.
Online retailers still have ammo, and they still have stock coming in.
Obama still doesn't have rank and file support for a gun ban; anyone think of the 2012 Mayan calendar affect? I hear, normally smart people, talk about the end of the world, or the change of times based on presumptions by people who spent a couple of months studying the Mayan long count calendar.
There are dates that Mayans reference that take place after the final cycle of the calendar everyone refers to as the "end of the calendar."
Lefts blame the Rights, Rights blame the Lefts -- Obama this, Bush that, Bush this, Obama that -- its the same evil with a different label, the scope of government has grown with all administrations and we like to believe otherwise.
Now I am going off topic; bah humbug
Bah I SAY
Go to your local ammo stores; they have ammo, you can still find primers. Stock still is available and still come in.
Online retailers still have ammo, and they still have stock coming in.
Obama still doesn't have rank and file support for a gun ban; anyone think of the 2012 Mayan calendar affect? I hear, normally smart people, talk about the end of the world, or the change of times based on presumptions by people who spent a couple of months studying the Mayan long count calendar.
There are dates that Mayans reference that take place after the final cycle of the calendar everyone refers to as the "end of the calendar."
Lefts blame the Rights, Rights blame the Lefts -- Obama this, Bush that, Bush this, Obama that -- its the same evil with a different label, the scope of government has grown with all administrations and we like to believe otherwise.
Now I am going off topic; bah humbug
Bah I SAY
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Ignition Override
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Quite true!
At the large (1,000 table or so) Atlanta gun show about three weeks ago, I bought my fifth Lee-Enfield #4 rifle, and still see no hang-up with dinged wood and some bluing missing (if it has four or five-groove rifling and a pretty good bore).
It might not shoot quite as accurately as most plastic AR-15s, but does quite well in my untrained hands, and the LE was a Battle Rifle.
That very large show
, which was just three miles n.e. of ATL Airport had heaps of ammo in various calibers.
At the large (1,000 table or so) Atlanta gun show about three weeks ago, I bought my fifth Lee-Enfield #4 rifle, and still see no hang-up with dinged wood and some bluing missing (if it has four or five-groove rifling and a pretty good bore).
It might not shoot quite as accurately as most plastic AR-15s, but does quite well in my untrained hands, and the LE was a Battle Rifle.
That very large show
, which was just three miles n.e. of ATL Airport had heaps of ammo in various calibers.
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JohnBiltz
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I don't care about SHTF, don't care about the politics of it all, I just want to be able to shoot every week. I'm keeping a year's supply in the house.
Not ALL....some people saw this coming and bought what they felt they needed, be it 20 rounds or 20,000, well before the "shortage" hit. Then, it just took a modest bit of self-control to just not buy ammo that was higher priced than one was comfortable with. No one was forced to buy ammo during the shortage, and no one is being forced to buy today. Its a free market, and good are only worth what one is willing to pay. When i saw Wolf steel-cased .223 for $13.49 a box.....I didn't buy it thinking I'd never see another round of .223 ammo. When .380 ammo was going for $70 a box, I didnt have an overwhelming compulsion to buy it. During the shortage however, i WAS able to buy a case of brass cased Yugo 7.62x39 for $219/1260 and several boxes of 9mm 50 ct boxes of HP's for under $20. When i saw 5.56 ammo for 5.99 a box last fall....I bought all I saw myself needing for awhile....awhile meaning til the political climate changes. Did people learn nothing from the previous ammo shortages? If you can buy it cheap, pile it deep.....but don't wait til the summer before an election to think it may be time to pick up your supply of bulk ammo, or you're likely to grossly overpay for that particular choice.
Orkan
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I hear that. I shoot about every day. Last time the panic hit, I was out of a lot of things. I too swore it would never happen to me again. I've got plenty of inventory this time, and I'll still keep buying if good deals come my way. Yet I doubt I'll see any of those for at least 2 years. Just like last time.
Things were just starting to get "normal" again, and it was still very hard to find good deals. Now its going to be nuts once again. The profiteers will be making millions for no reason other than they can.
This time I think there will be a lot less insane prices though. Lots of people sitting on huge inventories from the last panic. They can't all afford to double down again.
guyfromohio
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I have a nice par level of ammo and then my shooting stock. I'm not sure my OCD will allow me to shoot any of the par though.
HoosierQ
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Tin Foil is flying off the shelves too...just like the last election. Not only will I not be able to shoot when I want, my turkey will be to dry. I hate election year panics. Stupid.
alsaqr
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QUOTE]Tin Foil is flying off the shelves too...just like the last election. Not only will I not be able to shoot when I want, my turkey will be to dry. I hate election year panics. Stupid. [/QUOTE]
Folks put down the counter help at gun stores. When the incompetent minimum wage counter clerk says bullets, primers, powder and ammo are scarce; that makes it so: Go figure
Folks put down the counter help at gun stores. When the incompetent minimum wage counter clerk says bullets, primers, powder and ammo are scarce; that makes it so: Go figure
HoosierQ
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We are our own worst enemies on this shortage business.
There's 2 kinds of hoarders here too.
There is the tinfoil-hat crowd that think the "Wizard of Ob" is somehow magically going to take away our guns and need as much ammo as possible to make the "cold dead hands" part come as late as possible.
Then there are the vast majority of the rest of us that stock up not for any other reason than they want to be able to shoot targets, tin can, or squirrels whan they want to and want to be sure they have ammo on hand...which all the hoarding makes difficult.
So careless, clueless, and just plain silly talk about this kind of stuff has a double whammy effect.
There's 2 kinds of hoarders here too.
There is the tinfoil-hat crowd that think the "Wizard of Ob" is somehow magically going to take away our guns and need as much ammo as possible to make the "cold dead hands" part come as late as possible.
Then there are the vast majority of the rest of us that stock up not for any other reason than they want to be able to shoot targets, tin can, or squirrels whan they want to and want to be sure they have ammo on hand...which all the hoarding makes difficult.
So careless, clueless, and just plain silly talk about this kind of stuff has a double whammy effect.
ol' scratch
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I just picked up 600 rounds of .308, 500 LC pieces of brass and plan on putting in another order for 600 more rounds today. It isn't that I am hoarding, it is just that I finally have the cash to spring for it. Maybe the higher than average gun sales are indicative of those new panic buyers finally getting some cash in their pockets and purchasing a few more toys.
EDIT: I might also add that some of us hoard because we see things we haven't seen in a long time. I have 2000 rounds of SL AP-M2 and 1500 rounds of LC Ball due to the cheap price and that it is hard to find. I got it during the height of the frenzy. Who can pass on $60 a can? I still have a about a 1000 rounds of Greek and enough brass to keep me loading for a long while too. I should also add that I have 6 rifles chambered in 06'. During the height of the craze, it seemed that people were selling "grand dad's" old milsurp rifle to get an evil black rifle. This also coincided with the release of a BUNCH of stuff from the CMP that hadn't been seen in years. Since 2009, I have found some very good deals on milsurps including three 1903 Springfields I bought for $150 a piece to fund someone's desire to add to an ammo cache and to fund a new black rifle.
EDIT: I might also add that some of us hoard because we see things we haven't seen in a long time. I have 2000 rounds of SL AP-M2 and 1500 rounds of LC Ball due to the cheap price and that it is hard to find. I got it during the height of the frenzy. Who can pass on $60 a can? I still have a about a 1000 rounds of Greek and enough brass to keep me loading for a long while too. I should also add that I have 6 rifles chambered in 06'. During the height of the craze, it seemed that people were selling "grand dad's" old milsurp rifle to get an evil black rifle. This also coincided with the release of a BUNCH of stuff from the CMP that hadn't been seen in years. Since 2009, I have found some very good deals on milsurps including three 1903 Springfields I bought for $150 a piece to fund someone's desire to add to an ammo cache and to fund a new black rifle.
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guyfromohio
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I bought as much $8.99/box Blazer as I could when gas started going up again. Politics didn't even enter my mind. When it costs more to transport goods, we are charged more for those goods. I had $600 saved for my next gun, but chose 3000 rounds instead. Conversely, I shoot 200-500 rounds per week.
Prince Yamato
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I really hate when this happens. Have I stated that yet? I'm now going to be obligated to panic buy because I have to worry that the tin foil hat crowd is going to clear the shelves out of 9mm...
zxcvbob
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Anybody remember The Great Toilet Paper Shortage of 1973? One of the best ever examples of a self-fulfilling prophesy.
Good point, and it was all started by Johnny Carson!
http://baypaper.com/toiletpaper.html
"His writers had heard earlier in the day about a Wisconsin congressman named Harold Froehlich. Froelich claimed that the federal government was falling behind in getting bids to supply toilet paper and that "The United States may face a serious shortage of toilet tissue within a few months".
His writers decided to include a joke based on this quote in Carson's monologue. He said "You know what's disappearing from the supermarket shelves? Toilet paper. There's an acute shortage of toilet paper in the United States."
Too bad they couldn't see the consequence of this statement. You may not be aware if you are young, but the early 1970's was a time of shortages - oil in particular. The next morning, many of the 20 million television viewers ran to the supermarket and bought all the toilet paper they could find. By noon, most of the stores were out of stock! Stores tried to ration the stuff, but they couldn't keep up with demand.
Johnny Carson went on the air several nights later and explained that there was no shortage and apologized for scaring the public. Unfortunately, people saw all the empty shelves in the stores, so the stampede continued."
BullfrogKen
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ObsidianOne said:
Not sure I follow you here, but I'll respond this way.
Yes, this past Fall I made a large bulk order for the fellas at our club - 35,000 primers and 32 lbs of powder. About 1/3 of that order was my stuff. I'm not going to be in a position where I can't go shoot a match, or take a training class, or have to scale back my weekly practices this summer because I'm running out of components.
And I'll continue to add to my reserves every month or so when I find attractive pricing on a bulk order.
Pietro Beretta said:
I just took a brief tour of Graf's, MidwayUSA, and Powder Valley. Many of the popular brands of primers are in low supply, or already out-of-stock. Graf's put the notice out weeks ago that the industry was already stretched thin trying to meet demand, and put everyone on notice that stockouts are expected.
Additionally many of the bullets I use for competition are on back order. Some for months at MidwayUSA. We haven't even begun the competition season yet and items are on backorder.
The days of "just in time inventory" for components for me are over. I'll not be put in that situation again. Call that behavior whatever names you want, but I'm going to keep a healthy stock of components here at the O'Donnell Supply Depot.
LeonCarr
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Vote him out in November.
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