2020 Candidates VS. Gun Rights

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Biden Pledges To Defeat National Rifle Association:
https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/...44OWC-nW85ne7d465pov-BmeUQowicKMv7g6no0sUrSQQ

Kamala Harris: I’ll Stand Up to the NRA
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/23/kamala-harris-ill-stand-up-to-nra/

Eric Swalwell Taunts NRA That They Won’t Debate Him. Dana Loesch Nails Him: ‘I’m Your Huckleberry’:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/46208/eric-swalwell-taunts-nra-they-wont-debate-him-dana-hank-berrien

Elizabeth Warren Urges Democrats to Champion Gun Control, Shut Down Debate:
https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...rats-to-champion-gun-control-shut-down-debate

CORY BOOKER WANTS TO UNLEASH THE IRS ON THE NRA:
https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/12/cory-booker-irs-nra/
 
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Listed here are 5 Democratic candidates who would upset, or overturn, parts, or all, of the Constitution to further their political goals.
These people must be defeated, soundly, and completely, or we will lose our country.
 
Separate the rhetoric from the concrete proposals. With the possible exception of Swalwell (who has made gun control the centerpiece of his campaign), their concrete proposals don't amount to much. (We can parse this in detail, but I don't want to get into the weeds here.) The Democratic candidates have a problem. They have to ramp up the antigun rhetoric to appeal to their primary voters, but then have to dial it back for the general election. The bottom line is that to win the general election, they have to carry the Rust Belt states of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and/or the Sun Belt states of Florida and Arizona. Lots of gun owners in those states.
 
Make no mistake, we are at war.

And 2020 election will be one of many decisive battles that will change how federal district/circuit courts and the SCOTUS will rule for decades to come.

Anti-gun/2A crowd knows this and why they are so fiercely ferocious.

2020 is our D-Day invasion for gun rights and future of 2A.

Elections have consequences.

Vote pro-gun/2A in 2020.
 
bds said:
Make no mistake, we are at war.

And 2020 election will be one of many decisive battles that will change how federal district/circuit courts and the SCOTUS will rule for decades to come.

Anti-gun/2A crowd knows this and why they are so fiercely ferocious.

2020 is our D-Day invasion for gun rights and future of 2A.

Elections have consequences.

Vote pro-gun/2A in 2020.
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This, this, 100% this.
 
psyopspec said:
This post gave me deja vu. My fifth go-round of a presidential election on this board where anyone who raises legit questions about the gun rights record of a candidate with an R next to their name gets fed talking points about out THIS is the election where you really need to hold your nose and vote against 2A, the R candidate isn’t that bad, he’s just playing politics with his anti-gun measures, etc. These parties and their leaders have much more in common with one another than either does with me, my community, or my interests.

Also the 2020 election is not D-Day, and an Internet forum is not Omaha Beach. That’s a very dramatic comparison, and I wouldn’t dare make that remark in front of any of the WW2 vets I’ve had the privilege of knowing if they were still alive.
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The problem we have is that it's the Dems that are pushing for gun control and would like to do away with private gun ownership.
 
I sure wish States would be as proactive on our gun rights as they are on abortion. Roe v Wade has been the law of the land for 46 years and now they are focusing on reducing people’s “rights” vs expanding or solidification of what we have now (the bump stock ban was a step in the wrong direction).

I say that loosely because I won’t ever have to make that choice because I am a man. I have always held more libertarian values of individual rights.

Funny thing to me is Democrats are all for rights of killing unborn babies, allowing people to break our laws entering the country, doing illegal (Federally) drugs and such but want to restrict the one right put in place so we could maintain the others....
 
psyopspec said:
Also the 2020 election is not D-Day
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Whoever wins the 2020 presidential election gets to nominate justices to not just SCOTUS but numerous federal district/circuit court judges.

SCOTUS make up currently does not ensure case ruling in favor of 2A/gun rights.

So to me, yes, 2020 election is D-Day for gun rights/2A for pending SCOTUS rulings for DECADES to come.

We are not just voting for 2020, we are voting the future of our children and our grandchildren.

Vote wisely in 2020 if you don't want to cry in despair the next 10-20+ years.
 
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Trunk Monkey said:
I'm going to try really hard to stay out of the politics and just say that I don't feel that the NRA best serves my interests with regard to the Second Amendment.
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This thread is not about NRA, it's about 2020 presidential candidates in respect to gun rights/2A.

Simple and clear.

So, just stop mentioning NRA and talk about 2020 presidential candidates' positions on gun rights/2A or gun control/ban.

Which 2020 presidential candidates support gun rights/2A? Which 2020 presidential candidates support gun control/ban?

Any questions?
 
bds said:
Whoever wins the 2020 presidential election gets to nominate justices to not just SCOTUS but numerous federal district/circuit court judges.

SCOTUS make up currently does not ensure case ruling in favor of 2A/gun rights.

So to me, yes, 2020 election is D-Day for gun rights/2A for pending SCOTUS rulings.
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Lol I don’t think
TomJ said:
The problem we have is that it's the Dems that are pushing for gun control
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TomJ said:
The problem we have is that it's the Dems that are pushing for gun control and would like to do away with private gun ownership.
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And also the republicans, unless I’ve had an aneurism and dreamt about the bump stock ban, the desire to do away with due process, and support for red flag laws.
 
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I have pruned some off topic stuff out of this thread, but I'm going to leave it open. Political discussion, as it directly related to gun control, is on topic for THR. But stick to the subject of gun control. Anything other than gun control is off topic and will be delt with as such.

Religion, abortion, your feelings about the NRA are all off topic. This thread is about 5 candidate's stance on taking away our rights. That is it. Stick to that and how we combat them and we are good to go.
 
psyopspec said:
Lol I don’t think



And also the republicans, unless I’ve had an aneurism and dreamt about the bump stock ban, the desire to do away with due process, and support for red flag laws.
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Do you really believe there’s no difference between the parties as it relates to 2A rights?

Edit to add: Perfection doesn’t exist. The fact is that given the chance the Dems would repeal the 2A. The Republicans wouldn’t.
 
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One thing is certain, vote for current crop of Democrat presidential candidates and they will move to ban guns after 2020
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That is as true as voting for “our guy’s” won’t ensure them, unfortunately. We need our shotgun and AR guys and gals to join together as much as we need the revolver and semiauto guy’s to do the same.

The political “clout” is from being a large voting group. If you don’t buy that, I ask why are the Democrats trying to figure out how to give more rights to felons? Yeah, not 2nd A ones just the others they were stripped of once they committed their crime(s).

Every time you think “that guy was stupid for buying that gun”, you should think about the millions that think it’s stupid for you to be allowed to own what you do. When you look at it from that prospective, you might go out and buy one yourself, just because you can, for now...
 
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Robert said:
This thread is about 5 candidate's stance on taking away our rights. That is it.
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Take a moment and chew on this.

If 2020 presidential candidates showed up at your front door to talk about other issues like healthcare, immigration, etc. and you HAD to let one in your house but letting them in could result in gun confiscation right at that moment.

Who would you let in?

Candidate who announced they will ban guns or any other candidate?

Would keeping your guns be at higher priories than other "issues"?

Be honest.
 
Sadly that’s where we are and have been for a long time, picking between the “lesser of two evils”.

And no, even though I disagree with the Dems on abortion, that issue is the most detrimental to (R) when it comes to alienating a large voting group. I hope the new State laws don’t make it so large it causes the Country to “yank the wheel” in the next election because that could cause a very bad turn. Biden would be a moderate but a couple of his gaffes and no telling what we would get.
 
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I will take lesser of two evils for 2020. ;)

If you don't like that predicament; well, do SOMETHING.

KEEP VOTING IN pro-gun/2A law makers and KEEP VOTING OUT anti-gun/2A law makers and perhaps they will get the message.
 
Me too. It just feels like being a rock in a river being slowly eroded away.

The “we have to do something” is how stupid things that do nothing to solve the problem happen.

The best I can do is try and enlarge our community at this point.
 
AlexanderA said:
They have to ramp up the antigun rhetoric to appeal to their primary voters, but then have to dial it back for the general election. The bottom line is that to win the general election, they have to carry the Rust Belt states of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and/or the Sun Belt states of Florida and Arizona.
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That was a sound analysis until about 2014. That's when the Democrats adopted the Karl Rove-ian model. Now both parties believe that turnout drives elections. Winning general elections is no longer seen as a contest for the median voter. It is seen as a contest of who can motivate their pre-committed voters to actually show up and vote. This is a very real change. There is no reason to expect compromise/moderation closer to general election days on the gun issue - or any other.

It is a very negative development, and I question how long our republic can endure it. But that's the way it currently is.
 
The first act of any politician or political party now a days is to first demonize the opposition. "Deplorables", "Crooked Hilary", yada yada yada. It happens on both sides. It's nothing new and nothing surprising. What I am a bit surprised at is how that rhetoric has continued or even increased after the last presidential election. I wonder about the role of the media in this, or perhaps I'm just more aware. It happens with age.

I'm guessing they see Trump as an easy target on gun control, and the fact that there has been no real movement to limit mass murders involving firearms, aside from the ban of bump stocks (which was a token gesture), does make him an easy target when the gun control debate comes up. It makes sense for the Democrats to try and remove a support network from the opposition before real campaigning is in motion. Gun banners are also fairly illogical, and illogical people are often easily excitable. But again, that's true on both sides.

The NRA is also quite vulnerable right now given the financial scandals and accusations as of late.

It's simple divide and conquer. I don't care for a lot of what the NRA does, or how they use the same scare tactics as gun banners. It's all fear based. But since I believe strongly in keeping my rights, I am, and will continue to be a member, because I do believe they still hold enough political clout to lobby and litigate when needed. That means extending my membership or perhaps even becoming a life member.

I'm with bds, we have to vote for pro gun candidates, we have to write our representatives and make sure they understand what the masses want, and we have to support organizations that are going to fight for our rights. You have to pick your issues and vote accordingly. It's unlikely any candidate will ever completely represent what you believe. Be selective and vote.
 
bds said:
One thing is certain, vote for current crop of Democrat presidential candidates and they will move to ban guns after 2020 (BTW, they already announced that agenda and are already trying)
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2020 is not going to be an Armageddon about guns. The Democrats have only a slim chance of taking over the Senate, and even if they do, they won't be able to change the filibuster rule. (Even Sanders is against changing the filibuster rule.) Any gun legislation will be DOA.

Besides that, hardly any Democratic candidate is actually talking about "banning guns." Their worst proposal has to do with stopping the commercial sale of "assault weapons," while grandfathering existing ones. Considering the huge number extant, the only effect this would have would be to modestly increase prices (thereby giving a windfall to current owners). But as I said, this isn't going to be enacted.
bds said:
I rather take my chances with Republican presidential candidates.
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There is only one Republican candidate -- Trump. The same Trump who gave us the bump stock ban, who said that "nobody's afraid of the NRA any more," and who said that he would rather "take the guns first, and have due process afterwards." You want to take your chances for more of this?
 
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