21” barrel 25-06

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Anybody here shooting a shorter barreled 25-06? I know that the 25-06 really needs a 24”+ barrel to reach it’s velocity potential, but my LGS called this morning and told me to come by and take a look at something they got on trade. It’s a 1978 built Ruger M77 with a varmint weight barrel chambered in 25-06.

The gun appears to be in really good shape, BUT the previous owner had the barrel cut to 21”. The price is RIGHT, but I’m a little concerned with that short barrel on a 25-06. My other thought is that this would make an awesome suppressor host if I can thread it 5/8-24. The dealer let me take it home with a few boxes of ammo to see how it shoots, so I intend to try it out tomorrow if the rain holds out.
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Nice looking rifle. I would want to shoot it, to be sure it was recrowned properly. Other than that it should be fine.
 
Nice looking rifle. I would want to shoot it, to be sure it was recrowned properly. Other than that it should be fine.
Forgot to mention in my previous post that my biggest concern is the complete lack of a crown. Not sure who cut the barrel off, but it’s cut flat with zero crown. Another reason I’m thinking about having it threaded is so that I could have the crown done at the same time. Just have to be in it a little cheaper than what the dealer is asking to make that a viable project. 03C113D6-F71B-45BE-95F8-E828796A7FC8.jpeg
 
I wonder if the end of the original barrel was damaged, got rusty, etc. for the owner to give it the chop like that? I took 8 inches off a LeFever SxS shotgun, and made it into a coach gun, because the ends of the barrels were badly pitted. It wouldn’t surprise me if damage to the muzzle area was the reason.

Before you buy, see if you can bore scope the throat and bore. I would hate for it to be shot out and end up costing double because it needs a new barrel right away.

Stay safe.
 
Forgot to mention in my previous post that my biggest concern is the complete lack of a crown. Not sure who cut the barrel off, but it’s cut flat with zero crown. Another reason I’m thinking about having it threaded is so that I could have the crown done at the same time. Just have to be in it a little cheaper than what the dealer is asking to make that a viable project.View attachment 1198252
I would just line up a gunsmith to recrown it.
 
Forgot to mention in my previous post that my biggest concern is the complete lack of a crown. Not sure who cut the barrel off, but it’s cut flat with zero crown. Another reason I’m thinking about having it threaded is so that I could have the crown done at the same time. Just have to be in it a little cheaper than what the dealer is asking to make that a viable project.View attachment 1198252


Seems odd to me but who knows if it shot well I’d take it home plain and simple it’s a good looking gun
 
I like 25-06 so if the price is right I would also be very keen to buy it.

The plan of threading it for a suppresssor and getting the crown redone negates any perceived shortcomings of barrel length or bad crown.

Just do it. :cool:
 
Actually, from your picture I can see an 11deg crown cut to the bore.
Other than a thorough cleaning with a GOOD copper remover, I wouldn’t touch it!

CHOOT IT!

I’d first try a 117gr Sierra GameKing over 51.0gr of IMR4831. That’s 1.0gr below max in the Nosler manual and 0.6gr under max in the Hornady manual but is a KNOWN accuracy load. Roughly equivalent to most factory “advertised” loads.

A friend who passed away some time ago, had a Cooper Arms M24 (iirc) single shot b/a w/26” bbl that shot TERRIBLE! He had David Sams work it over: blue printing the action, squared the barrel, cut and recrowned the muzzle to 24”, and glass bedded the action in the marvelous stock. It would then shoot “bug holes” at 100yds. He won several matches with it in the light varmint class bench rest matches. IIRC, he was using the Sierra 87gr FB HP over 52.5gr of IMR4350. He only used it on “windy days” where the 22 and 6mm crowd would get wipped by the wind… he said the bullet wasn’t in the air long enough to get blown out of the “bullseye”.
A “sleeper” load is 43.0gr of IMR4320. A friends Interarms MkX with the 117gr Sierras routinely shoots 1/2” three shots at 100yds. He’s killed dozens of deer with it! Longest shot was 310yds down a power line ROW in SW Pennsylvania. He had to wait on the deer to cross out of W.Virginia to the Penn side, as property is in both states. The load “only” chrono’s 2,800fps but kills deer like lightning! I’m not sure, but I believe it was one of Ken Waters “Pet loads”.

I use the 100gr bullets in my .25’s for deer. I bought 500 Hornady “blems” from MidwayUSA about 15yrs ago. They usually completely penetrate our 135-175lb bucks with a spine or shoulder shot from the .257Robt, but seldom from the .257Wby. Never had a problem recovering a deer! They always bang-flop! But then again, my book max load of RL25 is running them at 3,650fps… a recovered bullet weighs 67gr in a classic mushroom. The “Bob” with the classic 100gr load (45gr of IMR4350) runs a 100gr bullet right at 3,000fps. The 21” .25/06 should easily get 3,200fps, so you’ve still got plenty of punch.
I’ve killed over 100deer with the “little Bob” since I had it built in ‘83. Longest shot was a mule deer doe near Lincoln, Montana hunting along the Marias River breaks. 431yds “lased”, high shoulder shot bang-flop with an 85gr Nosler B.T. (My prairie dog load! 46.0gr H380 for 3,400fps)

Biggest deer I’ve ever taken was with a Hornady 117gr BT Interlock, 210yds, bullet hit left ham and was recovered from right shoulder. Shot him as he was jumping a barbed wire fence! Chasing a doe I almost shot before I saw him. He “bottomed out” a 200lb scale, field dressed!

I’m a big fan of the .25’s! I “only” have three at the present!
A .257mag Weatherby Vanguard, (24”bbl)
A custom M98 Mauser w/E.R.Shaw .257Roberts, (22”bbl),
And, a Marlin M1893 in .25-36Marlin (think .25-35win ballistics w/26”bbl).
I once had a Ruger M77/MkII. Generally, it was a 2” gun at 100yds, but had an affinity for the Berger 115gr VLD.with 45.0gr of IMR4831. Very devastating on dreer. I only recommend chest shots as it is very destructive. My M98 doesn’t especially care for it, though.

I’ve heard a rumor that there was a female big game guide in Alaska that for a number of years used a .25/06 as her “backup” gun! She had even killed several grizzly/browns with it. Supposedly she was using either a Nosler 120gr Part or a Swift 120gr A-frame. She only switched to a Savage .375 (don't know if a H&H or Ruger) as a guest/client gifted her the custom rifle and ammo…

As regards the crown, Mr Walker of formerly Walker Arms of Selma, Al used that type of crown on guns he recrowned fwiw… a best friend and hunting buddy had a Winchester M94 AE in 7-30Waters, cut to 17.75”. (Mr Walkers decision!).. I’d be branded a liar if I said how accurate it shot a Speer 130gr HP…
 
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Hmmm I have a 26in barrel 25-06 and still dont get what Hornady claims on their boxes so I'd try to chronograph it and see what its doing. It'll probably shhot decently being a M77. Oh and I've shot mine suppressed with a SilencerCo Hybrid 46M and all you hear is the supersonic crack. Scary quiet...
 
Hard to tell the condition but I wouldn’t pay over $350 OTD for it. It doesn’t look like a professional job. May have been cut due to damage. I doubt most guys think hmmm this 25-06 would kill deer a lot better if it was 1” shorter!!

If it was a 308 and 18” I’d be less inclined to think it was due to damage and just a normal poorly done modification.
 
If you like the rifle and if the price is right shoot and use it as is. I wouldn't put a lot of money into that rifle. At the time those rifles were made Ruger didn't make their own barrels. They bought them from other barrel makers. Accuracy was all over the place. Some ended up being very accurate, others wouldn't hit the side of a barn when fired from inside the barn.

You won't know how much velocity you're getting until you shoot some loads over a chronograph and you'll NEVER know for sure how much it lost by having the barrel cut. Keep in mind that very few rifles actually get the advertised velocity, and some are worse than others. 7mm Rem mags are known to shoot a lot slower than advertised.

Unless someone recorded the velocity from the original barrel length and shot the same loads from the current length barrel it's impossible to say. Even from equal length barrels there is often 100 fps or more difference in speed between 2 different guns.

But dozens of people have started with long barrels, measured velocity then gradually cut them shorter, recorded the velocity and have posted the results. Velocity loss is generally a LOT less than most of us think. Assuming it started with a 24" barrel, 100 fps is the most velocity loss I'd expect, maybe closer to 50 fps. Some of those came with 26" barrels. In that case it could be 100-150 fps. Factor in that it was also probably 50-100 fps slower than advertised at the original length and speed could be as much as 250 fps slower than the ballistic charts say.
 
Asking price is $750 and that’s not bad for an M77 in my neck of the woods if it’s in good shape. It’s more than I want to put into this rifle though. I’m gonna go shoot it for him in the morning and take it back to him. I offered to bring it back today, but he wants to know if it’s a shooter.
 
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