22 ARC a better Mousetrap?

[horsemen61]

Alright folks Hornady Just released the new
22 ARC so I gotta ask do you think this will be a better mousetrap than say the
legendary 22-250 for varmint hunting? Also what about the New Eld-VT Bullets do you think this is a Win or a lead ballon?

 

[kje54]

Alright folks Hornady Just released the new
22 ARC so I gotta ask do you think this will be a better mousetrap than say the
legendary 22-250 for varmint hunting? Also what about the New Eld-VT Bullets do you think this is a Win or a lead ballon?

My crystal ball won't give me a straight answer yet.........

 

[CapnMac]

Wow, that could have some converts out there.
Fitting into standard length AR wells is a leg up on the 22-250.

 

[someguy2800]

I am very excited about the ELD-VT bullets. That is something that is long overdue. I am a bit disappointed that the .224" version isn't a 75 ish grain bullet, but maybe more weight options will be coming. I'm interested in seeing what the ballistic coefficients end up being. I couldn't really care less about the new cartridge.

 

[marksman13]

I’m keeping an eye on it. I’ve got a 224 Valk that I just recently put together, so I doubt I jump on the 22 ARC train just yet, but if I shoot this barrel out and the 22 ARC is still around, I’d probably hop on board.

 

[JmacD]

Wow, that could have some converts out there.
Fitting into standard length AR wells is a leg up on the 22-250.

Ditto


A lot of their cartridges are tough to beat staying in saami specs. But I dunno if it’s worth scrapping your 7 rem or 300 win for a PRC. But if you’re starting out without all the accoutrements of a cartridge (brass dies, ammo supplies etc) it probably worth it. I’m still not sure on it, but I’m impressed with the 6arc. And the bullets look like something that has been needed for a while. But….! Time will tell!

 

[horsey300]

I’m keeping an eye on it. I’ve got a 224 Valk that I just recently put together, so I doubt I jump on the 22 ARC train just yet, but if I shoot this barrel out and the 22 ARC is still around, I’d probably hop on board.

Just guestimating based on the article I read about their 62 gr factory ammo, I'm not seeing much performance difference? Maybe 150 fps? Not knocking that but I have a valkyrie ar15 and a .22-250 bolt action.... it seems as though the valkyrie/22nosler are as close to the top as we can practically expect without nitpicking and working to squeeze that last 100 yards out of an ar15 platform...
Eta: within a .22 caliber chambering.

 

[Jim Watson]

The test is whether you will rebarrel your .2023 Magnumb with the same or the .2024 Special.

 

[troy fairweather]

Looks like some nice stuff hornady came out with, like to try that vt bullet in my 6arc. The 22 arc looks nice to, don't really need one but wouldn't mind building one. Don't see any specs yet , hope it's just a neck sized 6 arc case. That new click seater mic looks interesting to.

 

[kje54]

 

[someguy2800]

Just guestimating based on the article I read about their 62 gr factory ammo, I'm not seeing much performance difference? Maybe 150 fps? Not knocking that but I have a valkyrie ar15 and a .22-250 bolt action.... it seems as though the valkyrie/22nosler are as close to the top as we can practically expect without nitpicking and working to squeeze that last 100 yards out of an ar15 platform...
Eta: within a .22 caliber chambering.

I’m pretty confused why we need to have 224 valk, 22 nosler, and 22 arc which are all practically the same thing. Of course they have to keep inventing new stuff to sell us but it’s pretty egregious in this case. I really hoped 22 nosler was going to gain legs. I still want one in a bolt action.

 

[mavracer]

The biggest thing that ticks me off is the Black ammo gets the 75gr ELD, the Valkyrie Black ammo has the 75gr HPBT. The 75 ELD is much better suited for the Valkyrie

 

[horsemen61]

Well gents I agree with Hornady on this one Raw Blistering Speed is not the best way to go about a new cartridge yeah muscle cars are cool but you don’t see them as grocery getters for the same reason it’s not Efficient No such Thing As a Free Lunch the 22 Nosler your stuck with light bullets as for the 224 Valkyrie Federal Flubbed the launch and it never took off nor did either of those cartridges have what the 22 arc has going for it Amazing Factory Support I can’t wait to get my hands on one maybe build an upper for it!

 

[troy fairweather]

I'm sure people are going to not like them comparing the 22arc to the 22-250, ya the 22-250 has much more power but think there comparing them out past 3-4 hundred yards where the better bc bullets in the arc may close the gap between the two. I looked on there site but no real numbers on the 22arc or the new bullets. But if you made things more equal like barrel length and pressure they maybe closer then some may think.

 

[horsey300]

I'm sure people are going to not like them comparing the 22arc to the 22-250, ya the 22-250 has much more power but think there comparing them out past 3-4 hundred yards where the better bc bullets in the arc may close the gap between the two. I looked on there site but no real numbers on the 22arc or the new bullets. But if you made things more equal like barrel length and pressure they maybe closer then some may think.

Ruger makes a standard 1:10 .22-250 now,

 

[someguy2800]

Looking again at the 22 nosler dimensions I forgot that they made the case so long, which will be an issue with good BC bullets in an AR mag.

 

[horsey300]

Well gents I agree with Hornady on this one Raw Blistering Speed is not the best way to go about a new cartridge yeah muscle cars are cool but you don’t see them as grocery getters for the same reason it’s not Efficient No such Thing As a Free Lunch the 22 Nosler your stuck with light bullets as for the 224 Valkyrie Federal Flubbed the launch and it never took off nor did either of those cartridges have what the 22 arc has going for it Amazing Factory Support I can’t wait to get my hands on one maybe build an upper for it!

I agree on hornady support, the .22 nosler CAN run heavierish bullets, and the valkyrie shines well enough it's not likely to die out quickly as by now enough folks have their hands on one, it'll take a huge loss of brass/ammo availability to really kill it off. The arc is just a cooler shade of red.

 

[doubleh]

First off new stuff has to appear on the market to keep the market up and cash flowing into the coffer, hopefully enough to maintain a healthy profit margin. This applies to everything made. Newer ain't always better but it has more glitter and humans share with crows being attracted to sparkly things.

Nothing is going to replace my '70's era 22-250 with a slow twist barrel. The cartridge was designed as a small critter gitter and it does an excellent job of doing so. Bigger gritters, use a caliber that makes a bigger hole.

 

[N555]

You know this makes me realize I haven't seen a 6arc post on here for a while now, at least several months. Guess it's another dead cartridge.

 

[InTheSwamp]

It's a win. It allows you to shoot long, high BC 22 bullets from your AR-15. There are other calibers that fit the criteria but is good to have factory ammo readily available at your local store. And Hornady delivers.

 

[CapnMac]

A thought on this occurred to me today.

What Hornady probably needs to float this new round into popularity is going to be a "plinking" version.

If they had an equivalent to Wolf 55gr 5.56 in a bulk/for cheap version, they could bring in the cheapskate plinkers who would keep the lines with e spendy ammo turning over by buying a spendy box every now and again.

But, if the choices are $$$, $$$.25, and $$$.50, then maybe not so much. The Ballistics is everything crowd will just buy components, and likely not in make-Hornady-happy quantities, and it wil lbe treated as just another would-be wildcat.

 

[InTheSwamp]

The Ballistics is everything crowd will just buy components, and likely not in make-Hornady-happy quantities, and it wil lbe treated as just another would-be wildcat.

The history of the 6.5 CM and to a lesser extent, the 6 ARC, show the opposite. They sell a ton of factory ammo.

 

[someguy2800]

A thought on this occurred to me today.

What Hornady probably needs to float this new round into popularity is going to be a "plinking" version.

If they had an equivalent to Wolf 55gr 5.56 in a bulk/for cheap version, they could bring in the cheapskate plinkers who would keep the lines with e spendy ammo turning over by buying a spendy box every now and again.

But, if the choices are $$$, $$$.25, and $$$.50, then maybe not so much. The Ballistics is everything crowd will just buy components, and likely not in make-Hornady-happy quantities, and it wil lbe treated as just another would-be wildcat.

I don't think anyone is going to be interested in cheap fmj blaster ammo. If someone wanted that they would just have a 5.56 or 7.62x39. I think what they need is a cheap accurate option. If they were to load a 75gr BTHP for less than a dollar a round that is capable of shooting sub moa it would be interesting. PSA released a 77gr "precision" 5.56 round some time back. It typically sells for $0.60 a round and it shoots sub moa in 3 of my rifles. That ammo has completely renewed my interest in 223. If good accurate ammo is any more than a $1 a round then might as well just have a 6mm arc.

 

[someguy2800]

The marketing is leaning in really hard to varmint hunting. It will be interesting to see how that turns out for them since the world of varmint hunting, and hunting in general seams to be really shrinking. Personally when I was doing a lot of varmint hunting I always thought even a 223 is pretty overpowered as a varmint round. Even a 22 hornet is absolutely deadly out to the distance that I did 98% of my shooting, so I am not in the market for a more powerful varmint gun than a 223. If I lived somewhere where I needed more range than a 223 I would probably use a 6mm arc, or for a bolt gun I would probably just use my 6.5 creedmoor.

 

[horsey300]

If the arc had launched the same time as the valkyrie and nosler? I'd put money on the ARC in a heartbeat. But now? I have a valkyrie, several .223's with various twists, a 1:12 .22-250 with thoughts on a fast twist .22-250 or .22-250 ai (these thoughts fight constantly with a 6 creed), and a couple .243s, truthfully? Where we hunt, the ranges CAN get long but wind is a way bigger issue, and the 62 gr eldvt is more interesting than the new cartridge but I strongly echo that it would have been nice to have a 75(ish+) eldvt. Now I'm stuck waiting to see the numbers for the 62 before I bulk order a replenishment of 75 eldms.
Eta, found another article, 3300 with the 62 eldvt 24" tube, puts it squarely between the valkyrie and .22-250.... it might solve the 1 gun question for every western critter smaller than elk, but realistically, if the valkyrie or .223 can't do it, I don't usually reach for the .22-250 anyway, we step up to the .243 to buck the wind. If it's a questionably "not windy now but wind might start picking up a little bit later" kind of day I flip a coin on bolt vs ar, and either the valkyrie goes or the .22-250 goes, and the .223 stays home, but even in that scenario, the arc (while still cool) would only make me need a 3 sided coin.