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Here are some links to some more .22 RWS/Diana choices. Looks like the RWS/Diana 52 may be back after a several year hiatus:
Yes, I'm partial to RWS/Diana models,there are other high quality brands,but I find RWS stuff fits the common mans pocket book. Many choke at what adult quality air guns can cost,many exceeding what firearms cost.
http://www.pyramydair.com/a/Air_guns/588/cat_150/calibers_0_22/brands_301
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/rws.html
Back stops can be made out duct sealing compound from a supply house and some kind of stout container.Plenty on the net on constructing them.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Gardner-Bender-Duct-Seal-Compound-Plug-DS-110/100212441
Yes, I'm partial to RWS/Diana models,there are other high quality brands,but I find RWS stuff fits the common mans pocket book. Many choke at what adult quality air guns can cost,many exceeding what firearms cost.
http://www.pyramydair.com/a/Air_guns/588/cat_150/calibers_0_22/brands_301
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/rws.html
Back stops can be made out duct sealing compound from a supply house and some kind of stout container.Plenty on the net on constructing them.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Gardner-Bender-Duct-Seal-Compound-Plug-DS-110/100212441
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I use CB's in a pump .22 on armadillo around the house, body shots are fine at the close ranges.
Makes less noise than a suppressed .22 LR, or my 34 and 392. Also much faster to reload if you have more than one critter to get.
I'll likely wind up with a PCP, leaning towards one of the Airforce rifles but that is just for fun.
If you are just killing things you really don't burn up that much ammo, shooting is a different story. Even with the somewhat low budget the op is looking at would buy enough ammo for him to kill hundreds of animals if only used for hunting.
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$200 will get you more than 2000 rounds of .22 LR even at the stupid prices people pay these days but still cheaper than an air rifle equivalent to a .22lr.
This will help you find it.
http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/rimfire/22lr/
This will help you find it.
http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/rimfire/22lr/
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.22 rimfire is all well and good (have about thirty at last count myself) but this IS a discussion of AIR GUN hunting. No need to muddy the apple juice with watermelon juice.
PCP's are great but the acessorys are expensive and you'll soon tire of pumping...
Standard Pneumatics like the benjamin is also tiring ( especally for a quick follow -up shot.
Personally I'd let my budget decide on either a Diana 34, .22 or a HW R-9 in .22
They last a lifetime and are plenty powerfull! The Diana is the lowest priced and the HW is fancier and costs a bit more.
.22 caliber is the way to go. it gives consistant klls and is very accurate with the fine selection of todays pellets! Pellet prices aren't high at all.
You can have both "tuned" for power or smoothness, or both fairly reasonably by a professional Tuner if you wish, however "stock" they still shoot great! Shop around the net, you may find a like-new used rifle too. Don't rush into it.
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Standard Pneumatics like the benjamin is also tiring ( especally for a quick follow -up shot.
Personally I'd let my budget decide on either a Diana 34, .22 or a HW R-9 in .22
They last a lifetime and are plenty powerfull! The Diana is the lowest priced and the HW is fancier and costs a bit more.
.22 caliber is the way to go. it gives consistant klls and is very accurate with the fine selection of todays pellets! Pellet prices aren't high at all.
You can have both "tuned" for power or smoothness, or both fairly reasonably by a professional Tuner if you wish, however "stock" they still shoot great! Shop around the net, you may find a like-new used rifle too. Don't rush into it.
HTH,
ZVP
I am not going to totally dismiss the springer rifles, but you'll never get the accuracy out of one that you do with PCP. For me the cost of PCP is worth it for not having to hold onto a rifle in a specific manner to achieve even a group. Where with PCP you can pretty much put each pellet into the same hole at 25 yards, and at 50 yards shoot under half an inch. The PCP rifle in .22 cal will even make clean kills past 100 yards if you know you rifle, have a mil-dot scope, and a range finder.
If you move up to .25 caliber you'll have a little more insurance of a clean kill.
When I was growing up I had a Crosman 2200 .22 cal pump up. It was plastic, but any squirrel, rabbit, crow, etc that was within 40 yards was downed using Crosman Premier Pointed 14.3 grain pellets and a 20mm fixed 4 power scope. They still have the 2100 in .177, and it is just as good out to 35-40 yards as any rifle on the market if not the best bang for the buck @ $60.00.
If you move up to .25 caliber you'll have a little more insurance of a clean kill.
When I was growing up I had a Crosman 2200 .22 cal pump up. It was plastic, but any squirrel, rabbit, crow, etc that was within 40 yards was downed using Crosman Premier Pointed 14.3 grain pellets and a 20mm fixed 4 power scope. They still have the 2100 in .177, and it is just as good out to 35-40 yards as any rifle on the market if not the best bang for the buck @ $60.00.
Having grown up with MPP's (multi pump pneumatics) like the Crosman 2100, Daisy 880, and Crosman 760, I will say they are plenty accurate and plenty powerful for pests within 45 feet. They also have the advantage of being multi power, down to the level of shooting salt at flying insects, or even using wax bullets to snipe a flying pest that has landed in front of one of your windows. Even more useful at times, is an empty chamber. A puff of air at point blank range will take care of any crawly - e.g. that silverfish in the corner of the ceiling. I even discovered that you can load plastic cap gun caps in a 177 MPP. 4-5 pumps, and the cap will explode on impact with a hard object, out to 15 feet or so. I also discovered you can shoot a strike anywhere match at a brick wall, and it will light. 
MPP's are the 12 gauge shotguns of the airgun world - open cylinder and sawed off, anyway. Dirt cheap, reliable, and at short range, you have a wide range of ammo and power options and just enough power for dispatching pests large and small.
Having had a Benji Silver Streak in 5mm, I gotta say they are noticeably more powerful than a Crosman 2100 or a Daisy 880, but man are they a heck of a lot harder to pump and a heck of a lot louder to boot. To me that's the obvious crossover point where it makes more sense to go with a springer/gas-piston for even more power but much less noise and effort.
CO2 is just too inconvenient and expensive for me. In my experience, you can't leave the CO2 in the gun. It's shoot it or lose it. It makes sense to me in a compact pistol format, and I had loads of fun with these kinds of guns as a child, but I don't have any use for one, anymore.
I'm pretty late to the game with springers, buying my first one 4 years ago. But I can immediately see why they're so popular. It's way easier (at least for a normal sized adult) to cock an average springer than it is to pump up a MPP. If you have the arm length and leverage, it is almost as easy as breathing. And you have to load a pellet anyway, so why not cock and load the gun with the same motion? I found out you can burn through a heck of a lot of pellets with a springer once you find a comfortable spot to shoot in. Accuracy is plenty good and not that hard to achieve, IMO. It's so easy to cock my Venom that I think someone (everyone!) should make a repeating breakbarrel or side-lever rifle using a rotating magazine. For me, it's 10 times as much work getting the pellet in the barrel as it is to cock the gun.
The biggest drawback for springers, to me, is that they are full power, only. And there's no fooling around with light-weight creative loadings, because that will damage the spring. So there's always a place for an MPP in my stable.
PCP, I have no experience with. I think they're cool like a silenced 22LR would be cool. I just haven't passed the money and convenience threshold to want to get either, yet. I can pick up a 22lr or a springer and have 100+ shots ready to go, on the rifle, with another couple hundred rounds in my pocket. Spare ammo can be stored in a much smaller space than an air tank and hoses.
MPP's are the 12 gauge shotguns of the airgun world - open cylinder and sawed off, anyway. Dirt cheap, reliable, and at short range, you have a wide range of ammo and power options and just enough power for dispatching pests large and small.Having had a Benji Silver Streak in 5mm, I gotta say they are noticeably more powerful than a Crosman 2100 or a Daisy 880, but man are they a heck of a lot harder to pump and a heck of a lot louder to boot. To me that's the obvious crossover point where it makes more sense to go with a springer/gas-piston for even more power but much less noise and effort.
CO2 is just too inconvenient and expensive for me. In my experience, you can't leave the CO2 in the gun. It's shoot it or lose it. It makes sense to me in a compact pistol format, and I had loads of fun with these kinds of guns as a child, but I don't have any use for one, anymore.
I'm pretty late to the game with springers, buying my first one 4 years ago. But I can immediately see why they're so popular. It's way easier (at least for a normal sized adult) to cock an average springer than it is to pump up a MPP. If you have the arm length and leverage, it is almost as easy as breathing. And you have to load a pellet anyway, so why not cock and load the gun with the same motion? I found out you can burn through a heck of a lot of pellets with a springer once you find a comfortable spot to shoot in. Accuracy is plenty good and not that hard to achieve, IMO. It's so easy to cock my Venom that I think someone (everyone!) should make a repeating breakbarrel or side-lever rifle using a rotating magazine. For me, it's 10 times as much work getting the pellet in the barrel as it is to cock the gun.
The biggest drawback for springers, to me, is that they are full power, only. And there's no fooling around with light-weight creative loadings, because that will damage the spring. So there's always a place for an MPP in my stable.
PCP, I have no experience with. I think they're cool like a silenced 22LR would be cool. I just haven't passed the money and convenience threshold to want to get either, yet. I can pick up a 22lr or a springer and have 100+ shots ready to go, on the rifle, with another couple hundred rounds in my pocket. Spare ammo can be stored in a much smaller space than an air tank and hoses.
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RWS Clones Are A Good Value
The Ruger Air Magnum is a clone of the RWS 350 air rifle. This magnum springer in 22 (do NOT get in 177 - pellets will travel too fast to be accurate!) has a good trigger, plenty of power, and would fit your needs and budget well coming in around $150. The UTG/Leapers scopes and rings are a great value to replace the throw away package scope that comes with.
The Ruger Airhawk/Blackhawk (wood/plastic stock) have a little less power, are easier to shoot as a consequence, and would be good choices in 177. These are good clones of the RWS 34 rifle and also have good triggers.
The Crosman Optimus is a decent Gamo clone for a stellar price, but you'll need to do something about the trigger. The Stoeger X20 combo is a better Gamo clone - a bit more pricey (Still in your budget), but you may end up getting use out of the better package scope. Gamo's themselves, meh. I'm not a fan of the plastic covered barrel and breach block on "Real" Gamos.
22 has more power, but in airguns, hunting/pesting is all about accuracy. Don't be afraid of 177. A shot beside the ear is going to put a critter down no matter the size of the hole. Squirrels and rabbit are no match for a 12 fpe 177air rifle in good hands.
Whatever you get, avoid alloy pellets-stick with lead. And stick with dome pellets. Alloy pellets are a marketing trick to boost velocity claims. They do travel fast, as your piston slams home and tears up due to lack of adequate resistance to the spring in your rifle, but the speed is not worth it. Too fast is not accurate in an air rifle and isn't good for the air rifle. Dome pellets are more accurate at long distance than "pointed" hunting pellets, and penetrate just fine. It's an air rifle - not a hollow point smashing supersonic high power rifle! A well aimed pellet size hole is all you should expect. The gimmick pellets are just that.
The Ruger Air Magnum is a clone of the RWS 350 air rifle. This magnum springer in 22 (do NOT get in 177 - pellets will travel too fast to be accurate!) has a good trigger, plenty of power, and would fit your needs and budget well coming in around $150. The UTG/Leapers scopes and rings are a great value to replace the throw away package scope that comes with.
The Ruger Airhawk/Blackhawk (wood/plastic stock) have a little less power, are easier to shoot as a consequence, and would be good choices in 177. These are good clones of the RWS 34 rifle and also have good triggers.
The Crosman Optimus is a decent Gamo clone for a stellar price, but you'll need to do something about the trigger. The Stoeger X20 combo is a better Gamo clone - a bit more pricey (Still in your budget), but you may end up getting use out of the better package scope. Gamo's themselves, meh. I'm not a fan of the plastic covered barrel and breach block on "Real" Gamos.
22 has more power, but in airguns, hunting/pesting is all about accuracy. Don't be afraid of 177. A shot beside the ear is going to put a critter down no matter the size of the hole. Squirrels and rabbit are no match for a 12 fpe 177air rifle in good hands.
Whatever you get, avoid alloy pellets-stick with lead. And stick with dome pellets. Alloy pellets are a marketing trick to boost velocity claims. They do travel fast, as your piston slams home and tears up due to lack of adequate resistance to the spring in your rifle, but the speed is not worth it. Too fast is not accurate in an air rifle and isn't good for the air rifle. Dome pellets are more accurate at long distance than "pointed" hunting pellets, and penetrate just fine. It's an air rifle - not a hollow point smashing supersonic high power rifle! A well aimed pellet size hole is all you should expect. The gimmick pellets are just that.
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My Disco with TKO muzzle brake
This PCP rifle is for me accurate to 80 yards. Which is as far as I have shot it. It likes the 18.1 grain JSB pellets the best, but will shoot the less expensive Crosman and Benjamin hollow points that are 14.3 grains pretty good. I can fall back on them if I need to. The dope chart on the rifle now is from Hawke ChairGun Pro (http://www.hawkeoptics.com/), and is the one I use for the JSB Diabolo Exact 18.1 grain pellets. It does come in handy, and a Mil-Dot scope can really help you with range estimation. A laser range finder is a good item to have with a rifle like this, also. At 80 yards I'm retaining 16 ft. lbs. of energy on target. That's no slouch for a small rifle like the Discovery.
The dual barrel band really helped my accuracy after adding the TKO. It shot good without it, but with a little tinkering around with placement of the bands it has held up to its reputation as an affordable PCP rifle that delivers where it counts; On Target 10 shot groups at 25 yards average .34 inches, and at 50 yards 1/2" groups of 10 shots are common.
The rifle is really helping me get back to offhand shooting. I have shot from a bench so long with long guns, or shooting in prone that I have lost my muscle control when shouldering a rifle offhand, but shooting the Discovery is helping me regain offhand confidence, and it helps that it is so accurate that you can trust every shot is where the barrel was pointing.
My next addition that I'd like to add to this rifle is a custom regulator along with a lighter hammer spring where I can trim it down for target shooting, or bump it up if I go hunting. The better option I think is to buy a refurbished .177, and do those mods to it instead of this .22 caliber Disco, and allow the .177 to become my target/paper rifle for my backyard range shooting. The Discovery you see here shoots so good right now that I don't really want to mess with a good thing i.e. don't fix what isn't broken.
Although I like this rifle very much, I can see myself buying a Benjamin Marauder Pistol in the near future to have around when I would like to have a small repeater. Like when I am riding in a side by side or something like that, but the Marauder Pistol with the broom handle stock would be a great offhand rifle for my 10 year old daughter. Again for those backyard range sessions.
I've tried the cheap springers. I've tried some expensive springers, but I could not get the hold down. I could not get them to group with any pellet, and when I lost the confidence in the springers I got rid of them. I figured why throw more money into something that isn't working for me when I can just spend a tad more, and have the confidence, be inspired, and actually trust the rifle, and feel like the gun was working for me instead of me having to work for the gun.
I thought I'd share my rifle with you. I know I have mentioned my opinion on this thread several times. If you are looking for 100 yard accuracy then you should really look into PCP. Buy once, cry once. There are some spring rifles that will provide 100 yard accuracy, but you will be spending just as much as a PCP rifle from my experience, and you still have to learn to hold the rifle different than you shoot your powder rifles.
This PCP rifle is for me accurate to 80 yards. Which is as far as I have shot it. It likes the 18.1 grain JSB pellets the best, but will shoot the less expensive Crosman and Benjamin hollow points that are 14.3 grains pretty good. I can fall back on them if I need to. The dope chart on the rifle now is from Hawke ChairGun Pro (http://www.hawkeoptics.com/), and is the one I use for the JSB Diabolo Exact 18.1 grain pellets. It does come in handy, and a Mil-Dot scope can really help you with range estimation. A laser range finder is a good item to have with a rifle like this, also. At 80 yards I'm retaining 16 ft. lbs. of energy on target. That's no slouch for a small rifle like the Discovery.
The dual barrel band really helped my accuracy after adding the TKO. It shot good without it, but with a little tinkering around with placement of the bands it has held up to its reputation as an affordable PCP rifle that delivers where it counts; On Target
10 shot groups at 25 yards average .34 inches, and at 50 yards 1/2" groups of 10 shots are common.The rifle is really helping me get back to offhand shooting. I have shot from a bench so long with long guns, or shooting in prone that I have lost my muscle control when shouldering a rifle offhand, but shooting the Discovery is helping me regain offhand confidence, and it helps that it is so accurate that you can trust every shot is where the barrel was pointing.
My next addition that I'd like to add to this rifle is a custom regulator along with a lighter hammer spring where I can trim it down for target shooting, or bump it up if I go hunting. The better option I think is to buy a refurbished .177, and do those mods to it instead of this .22 caliber Disco, and allow the .177 to become my target/paper rifle for my backyard range shooting. The Discovery you see here shoots so good right now that I don't really want to mess with a good thing i.e. don't fix what isn't broken.
Although I like this rifle very much, I can see myself buying a Benjamin Marauder Pistol in the near future to have around when I would like to have a small repeater. Like when I am riding in a side by side or something like that, but the Marauder Pistol with the broom handle stock would be a great offhand rifle for my 10 year old daughter. Again for those backyard range sessions.
I've tried the cheap springers. I've tried some expensive springers, but I could not get the hold down. I could not get them to group with any pellet, and when I lost the confidence in the springers I got rid of them. I figured why throw more money into something that isn't working for me when I can just spend a tad more, and have the confidence, be inspired, and actually trust the rifle, and feel like the gun was working for me instead of me having to work for the gun.
I thought I'd share my rifle with you. I know I have mentioned my opinion on this thread several times. If you are looking for 100 yard accuracy then you should really look into PCP. Buy once, cry once. There are some spring rifles that will provide 100 yard accuracy, but you will be spending just as much as a PCP rifle from my experience, and you still have to learn to hold the rifle different than you shoot your powder rifles.
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The first sentence in PST #1.
I was just pointing out that one could get quite a few rounds of .22 LR (at ridiculous prices) for the cost of a good air rifle.
I have a 34 that shoots 3.5" groups at 100yards using Crossman pellets. Takes out crows at that distance, no problem.
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As a side note about having the use the artillery hold for the spring powered air guns:
A friend was having difficulty getting his FAL to shoot accurately.
When he "discovered" the artillery hold, the accuracy greatly improved.
So it's not just for airguns.
Olympic shooters use it, too.
A friend was having difficulty getting his FAL to shoot accurately.
When he "discovered" the artillery hold, the accuracy greatly improved.
So it's not just for airguns.
Olympic shooters use it, too.
@jmorris
Would it be alright to ask to see your air rifle? I have really become inspired so much I am going back to my roots as a kid, and keep on shooting air rifles.
I set up a range in the backyard with old lawn mower blades that have been cut into small squares, and welded onto small re-bar and that allows me to place the squares into the ground at a downward angle so the pellet ricochets into the ground. I have a few small spinners, and I am ordering some animal size pop-up targets. There are dowels to tap balloons that have some talc injected into the balloon. This lets the popped balloon look like smoke, and my kids really enjoy that.
I am really down on numbers of Super Colibris which is what my daughter uses out of her T/C Hot Shot. That is her hunting rifle so with a 20 grain bullet moving 520 feet per second out of that gun my pellet rifle is more powerful than her .22 LR.
We have a cinder block wall as a final back stop. So we are being safe.
But what I wanted to share how I have been enjoying air guns at this point in my life. Finally I have the means to have air guns that are so accurate.
Would it be alright to ask to see your air rifle? I have really become inspired so much I am going back to my roots as a kid, and keep on shooting air rifles.
I set up a range in the backyard with old lawn mower blades that have been cut into small squares, and welded onto small re-bar and that allows me to place the squares into the ground at a downward angle so the pellet ricochets into the ground. I have a few small spinners, and I am ordering some animal size pop-up targets. There are dowels to tap balloons that have some talc injected into the balloon. This lets the popped balloon look like smoke, and my kids really enjoy that.
I am really down on numbers of Super Colibris which is what my daughter uses out of her T/C Hot Shot. That is her hunting rifle so with a 20 grain bullet moving 520 feet per second out of that gun my pellet rifle is more powerful than her .22 LR.
We have a cinder block wall as a final back stop. So we are being safe.
But what I wanted to share how I have been enjoying air guns at this point in my life. Finally I have the means to have air guns that are so accurate.
Airguns, especially springers, are notorious for lemmons. That is why most reputable air gun sellers have excellent return policies.
Whatever you do, make sure whoever you buy from has an excellent no questions asked return policy. Pyramyd Air and Amazon have very good return policies.
Buying from so called "tuners" who have no real return policy is a complete crap shoot. You may not be happy with a gun that shoots 3" groups at 20 feet, but when you send it back they tell you it shoots 1/2" groups at 25 yards and they tell you no return.
Whatever you do, make sure whoever you buy from has an excellent no questions asked return policy. Pyramyd Air and Amazon have very good return policies.
Buying from so called "tuners" who have no real return policy is a complete crap shoot. You may not be happy with a gun that shoots 3" groups at 20 feet, but when you send it back they tell you it shoots 1/2" groups at 25 yards and they tell you no return.
3.5" groups to hit a crow in a kill zone? What's your muzzle velocity?
Not saying you can't hit stuff at 100 yards. Not saying you can't kill stuff at 100yards. I just wouldn't have thought you can hit a small enough target to reliably make kills at 100 yards, with a springer. Even if you can get 3.5" groups, you hit 10 crows with 100 yard energy, I would have imagined that 9 will fly away, injured. The PCP guys brag about laser measured shots at 70 yards.
I took out a bird at maybe 75 yards out and 150 feet up with a Crosman 760 when I was around 10, using iron sights and a BB. There was zero wind, and it was still a 1 in a million shot. I'm not too sure of the distance, but I held over to what I imagined was about 6-8 feet of drop, figuring if my friends had been within 5 feet of it, it would have at least turned its head. And I counted about 3-4 seconds and had already given up when the bird finally reacted. So maybe it was closer to 100 yards. Instead of flying off, it went down. This was about as big a shock to my young self as the time I accidentally shattered the glass patio door with a ricochet. I only took the shot because 3 of my friends tried, and I thought I would be the one to at least make it notice we were shooting at it, and no, it wasn't a clean kill. The bird coasted to the ground with a bad wing and then took off into the brush like a jack rabbit.
As for OP, you wanna save money, eh?
Here's something to chew on. 2-3 years ago, you could buy a brick of 550 22LR for 18.00. Today, $18.00 buys 500 JSB/RWS 22 caliber pellets.
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Eb1, this is the only photo I have of the 34 up loaded.
A stock photo of one with the RWS scope mount would be the same as mine though.
Gloob it runs just over 700 fps with 14.3 grain pellets (about 100 fps slower than they claim it will do). That crow in the above photo was 98 yards and went lights out with the first shot. I won't lie and say I always hit what I am aiming at but the odds are a lot better than 1:1,000,000 even at 100 yds. At 60 I would bet money on impending death of the bird though, might be a good meaure of an "ethical" shot.
A stock photo of one with the RWS scope mount would be the same as mine though.
Gloob it runs just over 700 fps with 14.3 grain pellets (about 100 fps slower than they claim it will do). That crow in the above photo was 98 yards and went lights out with the first shot. I won't lie and say I always hit what I am aiming at but the odds are a lot better than 1:1,000,000 even at 100 yds. At 60 I would bet money on impending death of the bird though, might be a good meaure of an "ethical" shot.
This air rifle pushes 18.1 grain .22 cal JSB Exact Jumbos at 810 fps for 8 shots, down to 790 for 5 shots, then down to a 5 shot string at around 720 fps. That is an average of 779.4 fps with an 18.1 grain pellet. I am fine with that because from 80 yards in it is spot on.
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There are a lot of choices in air guns no doubt.
I rebuilt the Benjamin I had when I was a boy last year to get my daughter started.
With the 14.3g pellets:
10 pumps = 647 fps
5 pumps = 507 fps
3 pumps = 407 fps
I was a paid assassin back then, no telling how many squirrels, rabbits and birds went down when my Grandfather would call me and tell me to "bring your .22 over".
I still vividly remember the Bluejay that was taken out after getting some hair out of his head to build a nest (while he was grilling lunch), not once but twice.
In any case as old as it is she still enjoys it.
I rebuilt the Benjamin I had when I was a boy last year to get my daughter started.
With the 14.3g pellets:
10 pumps = 647 fps
5 pumps = 507 fps
3 pumps = 407 fps
I was a paid assassin back then, no telling how many squirrels, rabbits and birds went down when my Grandfather would call me and tell me to "bring your .22 over".
I still vividly remember the Bluejay that was taken out after getting some hair out of his head to build a nest (while he was grilling lunch), not once but twice.
In any case as old as it is she still enjoys it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA-xtzm7D6Q
Here is a great explanation between shooting a Spring rifle and a PCP rifle.
Here is a great explanation between shooting a Spring rifle and a PCP rifle.
Wow, I thought that sounded pretty hot. But my (googling OP's) chrony puts my "800 fps" Venom in the same range, with reports from 690-750 fps with CP's.
I had no idea these rifles were that fast. I thought they would be barely breaking 600's with Premiers. Ya know, the whole exaggerated numbers thing.
I'll have to start extending my targets and figuring out my drop. And stop buying Aguila Super Colibris. I didn't know my air gun was about as powerful as (and more accurate than) these primer-only rounds.
I have never had occasion to shoot a pest with this rifle, yet. I have some tree rats (the black plague kind, not the furry, bushy-tailed kind), but so far the only time I get a good look at them is after they get snapped in a trap. But I did take a mouse and a few birds with much lesser air guns as a kid. I recall being pretty impressed the one time I had occasion to use a 22 air gun. Even out of an advertised 460 fps muzzle velocity pistol, it did a number at close range. Maybe I'm remembering some embellishments, but I saw a cloud of feathers and the bird being knocked off the branch and propelled back by 3-4 inches before dropping like a rock. Well, so yeah. I suppose a 34 could do the same thing at 50-60 and still have some gas left at 100, if you can make the shot!
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I generally find the Colibri and Super Colibri to be not very accurate at any real distance. Many of my air rifles are far more accurate. The Colibri's only real advantage is it is quieter from a rifle.
I was a bit shocked the first time I fired a CO2 pistol and found how noisy it is! The multipumpers are somewhat quieter.
CO2 and PCP would not be 'neighborhood friendly' here in my AO.
I was a bit shocked the first time I fired a CO2 pistol and found how noisy it is! The multipumpers are somewhat quieter.
CO2 and PCP would not be 'neighborhood friendly' here in my AO.
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