.22 mag vs .17hmr for target shooting

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Guvnor

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Want to get one of these calibers for mostly target shooting. Which choice do you guys think is more accurate at 100 yards?

Might also use for small game hunting like fox or maybe even turkey. I know the mag would work in this application but is the .17hmr up to the job?
 
my first thought is, both are pricey. neither are usually used for target shooting. more of a hunting application.


target shooting < 100 yards is really the realm of the 22lr.

I dont think I have ever seen "match grade" 22mag. I could be wrong.

I would go with the 17hmr if i had to pick. But obviously the 22lr would be my choice.
 
17 will easily shoot a dime.. I remember that pic somewhere that someone posted a fly landed on their target and they shot the fly..

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You probably wont be able to do that with a 22 mag IMO not as easily as the 17.
 
17 hmr will have less drop/flatter, which will translate into more accuracy, when shotting at different ranges notwithstanding wind. IMO, for a given fixed range up to 100 yards, the quality of the rifle itself will be most important.

Someone else can chime in on hunting. Both would probably work, but those 17 are sure small.
 
Which choice do you guys think is more accurate at 100 yards?

Why the .17 of course....

Might also use for small game hunting like fox or maybe even turkey.

Definitely get the .22MAG then....

I know the mag would work in this application but is the .17hmr up to the job?

Well, it'll do it but barely! Hey, you can fall an oak with a pocket knife too, but.....
 
My buddy is selling a Savage .17 HMR right now that I would scoop up in a heart beat if I had the money. Its an awesome shooter. People use the HMR for coyotes out here in Az and as long as you keep the shots relatively close I think it would do the job.
 
I can tell you the 17 HMR is plenty for yotes.

And more than enough for turkey or fox.

Really the HMR is the easier winner in this dept
 
I remember that pic somewhere that someone posted a fly landed on their target and they shot the fly..

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Yep......6PPC is another good caliber for flies.

I shot a buddies 17 HMR not long ago and was duly impressed. I would choose it over .22 Mag. The only downside is having to buy a new cleaning rod, jag, etc. That's a tiny little tube.
 
This is 25 rounds back to back from a Savage 93R17 FV new rifle & cheapie scope. At 100 yds.
If I were younger this would tighten up some.

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The necked cartridge helps with accuracy over a straightwalled rimfire.
I don't believe that to be the case.

The .17 is more accurate because of the very high quality of the plastic-tip Hornady bullets they have always used.

The .22 Mag has mostly been saddled with poor quality bullets since it's inception.

The newer .22 WMR ammo using lighter V-Max and other bullets seems to have a edge over the older ammo, but I don't believe they try as hard for gilt-edge accuracy with the .22 Mag ammo as with the 17's.

All the .17 rifles that have been made are very accurate and folks would quickly find out if a certain brand of ammo wasn't.

The same cannot be said for the .22 WMR, as it has been around a long time and there never really was an emphases on super good accuracy from the firearms companies making guns for it.

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When you mean target are you referring to something like Rimfire Benchrest or Truck Challenge or Silhouette or a true Olympic style prone rifle because to the best of my knowledge they aren't allowed in any of those venues...

If you're looking for a very accurate rimfire rifle then look at Anschutz sporters as my first choice, especially using the 54 action--the 17 series for HRM and the 64 actions--the 15 series for HRM & WRM...

CZ is also fairly good as well but for lots more money the Cooper of Montana and Dakota sporters are superb...for semi autos there is really only Volquartsen...

The problem you'll be faced with is that there isn't any "target" ammo available for them so you'll have to make do with regular solids not mushrooms, solids...no Eley Tenex yet...

I recently made up a varmint WRM from an old Anschutz 1716 action (off a rifle that the stock was damaged) by putting a very heavy 19.68"/50cm" bull barrel on it and sinking it into a modified light varmint BR stock that I had laying around, mounted a US Optics 10x scope (from a precision rifle I wasn't using--just love QD mounts) on it and it's been doing quite well to 125 yds and pushing it to 150 for kills on Prairie Dogs--not accuracy but lethality...

Oh, I forgot, Weatherby has their Mark XXll which is just a repackaged Anschutz but they also had a semi version available...
 
.17 is some good stuff for 100 yard accuracy with the right rifle.

However, .22LR is a LOT cheaper than either Magnum round, and at 100 yards it's still viable for target shooting unless the wind is blowing hard. A few inches' drop vs. 50 yards, tops.

I wouldn't get either Rimfire Magnum for target shooting. Too expensive, not reloadable. A .223 and a press would be more cost effective and good out to a much greater distance.
 
By "target shooting" I mean just casual benchrest shooting out to 100 yards. No competitions or anything like that. Just something to take out on the weekends and maybe occasionally hunt with.

I have a .22lr savage mark II with 4x scope that I shoot out to 50 yards with. But want something a little flatter shooting to use at 100 yards.
 
anything 17 will bllloooww away 22 mag for accuracy, that's just the way it is.
I have shot most anything rimfire, and if one is being honest with one's self, you have to come to this conclusion, even if just anecqdotally so.

I prefer the 17mach2 or aguila myself though....
 
.17 HMR hands down. Add a heavy barrel to hit and it starts getting scary. If money isn't a concern...17 fireball. 4000fps.
 
I wouldn't get either Rimfire Magnum for target shooting. Too expensive, not reloadable. A .223 and a press would be more cost effective and good out to a much greater distance.
+1 All the accuracy you could want, and you can load it cheaper than you can buy .17 HMR, and it'll give you vastly better flexibility in hunting.
 
My Savage 93R17 BTVS is a real Tac-Driver. I have to agree that the ammo is expensive and for target shooting and a .223 would be a good choice because of the reloading factor.
 
win71 -- LVT are such nice rifles...

Guvnor -- By "target shooting" I mean just casual benchrest shooting out to 100 yards. No competitions or anything like that. Just something to take out on the weekends and maybe occasionally hunt with.

I have a .22lr savage mark II with 4x scope that I shoot out to 50 yards with. But want something a little flatter shooting to use at 100 yards.

.22 LR maximum is 100 yds and ideal to 75/80 yds,
.22 WRM is max 150 yds and ideal to 125 yds
.17 HM2 is almost like the WRM maybe 15 to 20 yds more each category 165/170 and 140/145 and the
.17 HRM goes a good 35/40 yds past the WRM so you have 185/190 and 160/165.. all ± 5/10 yds depending on ammo specifics and climatic conditions…

Of course you can get farther distances with all the calibres mentioned but I consider those to be the optimal range and I think that 200 yds is really pushing it for the .17s...

One of my partners brought up his brand spanking new .17 HMR Anschutz Sporter Model 1517D HB and we mounted a S & B Zenith 3–12 x 50mm scope (off one of his hunting rifles) to try it out and just kick back and have fun with it…After sighting it in and getting one hole 5 shot groups at 25M we went out and we were taking rabbits easily at 128M/140 to 146M/160 yds trying to get mostly head shots and once hit they were down and down hard! But at 200M just 18 over 200 yds, even with head shots it took them longer to die -- to the point that when we walked up to there some of them were still alive (barely) and we had to finish them off this…occurred six times (solid upper body lower brain pan hits) out of nineteen rabbits at that 200M range and thirty nine in total were taken past 125M/136 yd…We also shot eight between 75M/82 yds and 100M/109 yds…

Total of forty seven rabbits out of 120 rounds (39.16%) the other 30 went to sighting in and test firing…with 8 of us shooting it…What a fine rifle that we couldn’t do better at…I have a .22 WRM and a LR in the 17 Series and am looking for a Mannlicher (full stock) version in both HRM and WRM…

Since we like the Euro stocked rifles we also had a CZ LUX and CZ ZKM FS Full stock in .22 WRM and a LUX in .22 LR with us as well and the two .22 WRMs got fourteen rabbits in the 60M to 90M range and the LR took six at around 50M…We used up a box of LR-- fifty (12%) and sixty five WRM (21.5%) as we were shooting targets of opportunity—caribou turds, dead flowers, stuff like that so our percentage is really low but we had great fun…

Sixty seven rabbits shot in just over 4 hours of goofing off fun…cleaned out (guts we’ll use for Fox that we’ll hopefully call in) , washed, dredged in flour and a mixture of crushed Rice Crispies (45%) and Corn Flakes (55%) and cooked in Rapeseed oil in a cast iron Dutch oven over an open fire…Served with a couple of ice cold Moosehead Lager some salad and fresh green cut beans and sitting on a stump to eat it…beats the best four star restaurant anytime!

Cost factor for shells is nearly the same between HRM and WRM, a buck or two one way or the other depending on maker...wait until a store like Scheel's, Cabela’s' etc have an ammo sale and stock up...So that shouldn't be a contributing factor...

Accuracy goes a little to the HRM but bullet BC goes to the WRM...Range is definitely the HRM but it's proving to not be a reliable killer at those longer ranges (200M) but gets about 25/30 yards over the WRM...I couldn't decide so I bought one of each, easiest solution now comes the dilemma over which one to take out for rabbits so I just rotate them...Find a make/model that fits you like a glove and buy that one...It just may decide it for you --otherwise just flip a coin...
 
I ended up getting the H&R break-action .17 hmr with bull barrel.

Any suggestions for a decent scope around $100?
 
.22 vs .17

.17 definately has the accuracy edge at 100 yards but the ammo is more expensive and harder to find at this point in time.
 
seekher nailed the comparisons.. I see a drop in energy and accuracy(.17HMR) at 180yds. 100-150 yds it's on. The Simmons 4-12x44 AO is pretty decent in good light
 
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