.22 magnum on deer?

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When I used to cut meat for a living we used to shoot cattle with a .22mag. Right between the eyes and 2" higher--It drops them all. I only ever saw one big herford bull get back up but he was so dazed a 2nd one in the same spot did it. However, this is from 10 to 30 ft. Poachers like this round because it doesn't wake everybody up for miles and will definately kill a deer if well placed and within range of thier headlights. Like the guy from Texas said though, it's illeagal there, and it's illeagal here in Wyoming too ( for large game). It's also illeagle in Nebraska, I don't know for sure but I suspect it's illeagal most places as a large game round. Probably not a very good choice anyway for this purpose. In Wyoming you need at least a .243 and this or a .250 Savage is a much better deer round.
 
My opinion is that shot placement trumps caliber, every time. A .22 will do the job but for the record, follow your state's laws regarding minimum caliber requirements.
 
The reason ya don't use pipsqueak cartridges is because Mr. Murphy never quits. If you're off the point of aim by just a smidgen, or if the animal moves just a bit as you think, "Press," on the trigger, you have a wounded critter that you might never find.

Poachers don't care. I do.

Art
 
"...the V-max bullets..." 'V-Max' is a Hornady brand name for their varmint bullet line. They have nothing to do with the .22 Mag. In any case, hunting deer with a rimfire of any kind is illegal everywhere. Even in Texas.
"...This would be a situation were..." That doesn't make it legal. Shooting a deer with a .22 mag while squirrel hunting will get you arrested.
 
Once on a winter trapline I encountered a large doe that I dispatched with a .22 long rifle fired from a S&W K-22.
The range was about 10 yards and I shot from a rested position resulting in an instant behind the ear kill.
Stunt? No , I desperatly needed the meat.
I would not recommend ANY rimfire cartridge for deer hunting.
Zeke
 
If I needed the meat for my family and a .22 or .22mag. was all I had and knowing my limitations, I would not hesitate on a head shot. I've killed many a wild hog with a .22 mag. leveraction and with the proper shot placement it's meat in the freezer. I don't shoot any animal with any caliber rifle unless I'm 99% sure of the shot. Can't stand to see anything suffer.

I hunt in Fl where the hog's are big and mean and the deer tend to be on the smallish side. The .22mag. get's the job done.

I've seen it all. Deer hunter's armed with .338 win mags, .300 mags. - too much gun for deer. Actually a 30-30 under 150 yds. will probably kill quicker than the heavier constructed bullets most found on the magnums. My vet hunted plains game in Africa with a 7mm mag. Had excellent results. He goes deer hunting in south carolina and is wounding them. I told him to go to a lighter weight bullet and that would solve his problem. His 150gr. bullets were probably just passing thru with little or no expansion. A 30-30 sp at 2200fps is poison on our whitetails and easy on the shoulder and ears. Besides, the marlin just feels good in my hand and comes up to my shoulder like greased lightning.
 
The reason ya don't use pipsqueak cartridges is because Mr. Murphy never quits. If you're off the point of aim by just a smidgen, or if the animal moves just a bit as you think, "Press," on the trigger, you have a wounded critter that you might never find.

Poachers don't care. I do.
Art puts it neatly.
 
All rimfires, BB guns, shotguns with birdshot, buckshot or slugs, all handguns and all centerfire rifles are legal for deer in MS during the regular gun season. I have personally witness a DRT lung shot on a small deer with a .17 HMR 17-gr. load. However like the others said, use a better cartridge.
 
Seems we're kinda back to the it " because it can", ideas.
That doesn't mean it should be or is responsible either.
 
Since those that say about over-penetration with large calibers, and one knows how some of these scenarios’ can get.
Maybe they feel that the .22 mag. will not over penetrate.
Leaving out the terrain, weather conditions, time of day…..their could be a woman, strolling with a baby carriage in the woods/mountains, for all one knows.
 
Hey guys, I remember a time when we were walking on our property, and I once saw my father drop a deer with a plain old .22 from a marlin lever action from about 15 yards away. He aimed for the neck, the deer ran about 20 yards, and dropped dead in its tracks. In my opinion, you can take deer with a properly placed shot, up to 40 yards. Anything beyond that, you would have to use a .22 magnum at least. But it will do the job. Personally, I hunt with a 30-06 rifle, because I love that gun, not because of the ammo. Its a matter of opinion, potato, patato, same bull.
 
I'm not aware that the 22WMR or 22LR is legal anywhere in the US for white tail deer.
You are right you are not aware. The 22 magnum is LEGAL for deer in MAINE.

Not a great gun for deer hunting but they have been taken with one.

Note: NH State hired a so called "Marksman" to cull deer off of an island in the big lake. He used a silenced 10-22 22lr with NO losses of shot deer.

It's not hard out of a tree stand over bait to whack a deer in the head.
 
The original posters question was a valid inquiry.

Though this issue has been 'cussed and discussed often on this and other forums, his question was actually one of the better ones and deserved a reasonable anwser.

I asked the question once as a rhetorical one and got conflicting answers myself.(long before the days of the internet, however). Unlike the majority, I was in a position to "need" to know for valid reasons. Hence, I set about to "find out". I did so by trying the options available.

As a conservation officer, I often had the function to dispatch injured or nuisance wildlife and as time wore on, due to "people" issues, needed to do it in a more "discreet" manner than torching off a .300RemUltMag to put down a 75lb doe caught in a barbwire fence near a community playground, or one that was bleating incessantly at the scene of an automobile accident it had caused; and 20-30 bystanders and rescue workers were compounding the situation.

The reality came to light after I was called because a deputy who was not such a good shot, fired 7rds from his 9mm into an injured doe that proceeded to jump up and run across two lanes of an interstate highway and run in front of another car causing ANOTHER ACCIDENT !! All the while, a superior court judge and county commissioner looked on! (there had been a "stink" about the deputies going to the 9mm. This poured "gas" on the fire !!! But it really was an ammo issue. This got that resolved !!!) Needless to say the single shot from a "Hunter Ed" gun..... a single shot Stevens .22lr (I had it in the truck because I'd just left a Hunter Ed course I'd taught and couldn't get to the .22Hornet) of discussion too. My captain once did the same with his Mod. 36 S&W, much to the chagrin of the onlooking deputies.............

Anyway..................
The best .22mag round for dispatching DEER, is the Winchester 40gr jhp.(or similar rounds from other manufacturers). The FMJ and TMJ's WILL completly penetrate and can cause an additional hazard to bystanders with headshots, and most usually will completely penetrate with a broadside chest shot. Ask me how I know....BTDT. Also, the jhp's will expand giving better shock and trauma rendering the animal much more quickly incapacitated. (shatters the cranium on headshots). (See episode involving the 9mm FMJ above).

For "poaching", I saw much better effect from the .22Hornet in rural settings. But it's not as quiet as you may think. In more settled areas, even the .22mag was unmistakeable. The .22rf was much more desirable from the poachers point of view, but, it's hard to "escape" when you are being watched and videotaped with nightvision gear which is now ubiquitous with even the most cash strapped agencies. We even had remote sensors to include seismic and infrared motion sensors and remote computer downlinks on our covert units........ but I again digress............

I utilized the .22mag and equivalent loads (cast bullets in a .22Hornet) on a number of occasions. One that particularly stands out was a smallish 8pt buck that had been chased (witnessed) by a larger deer and jumped into an empty concrete holding tank at the local municipality water treatment plant. The staff wanted the deer (alive but with two broken legs) "euthanized" but didn't want a round busting the concrete and causing $,$$$,$$$ damage and further repair cost to a unit already down for maintainance. The "hornet" with the cast bullet load did nicely. I had the deer out and was leaving and the plant manager wanted to know why I was leaving so soon, already................

On another occasion, a yearling buck (small spikes) had gotten over(under?) a "deer-proof" fence into a backyard-community/swimming pool compound. Efforts to flush the deer out had been unsuccessful and the residents were leaving for the weekend and didn't want the deer getting onto a pool that had been covered for the winter and were afraid the deer would damage the cover. The "lady" practically swooned when I removed the bull barreled and target -scoped 10/22 from the pickup. 5minutes later as I was driving off with the dispatched deer, the husband wanted to know what I was going to do about the deer. I said I was taking it to the County jail where they would make hamburger of it. His puzzled look was sufficient for me to point to the bed of the truck. He looked in and asked "how did you do it?" I stated, "head shot". He said..... I didn't hear you shoot! I stated...... its just a .22!" He replied "WOW", I didn't know a .22 would do that! (CCI minimag hp to the left ear at 50' -not much noise, >>>>>> but a lot of blood !) (What, no earth shattering Kaboom............... there was supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom..............) (.22lr)

shot placement, shot placement, shot placement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but: do use "enough" gun.

However; "Enough" can depend on the circumstances.
And, know your equipment and it's limitations.
My choice of a survival rifle would be a takedown .22mag with an assortment of ammo.
Cost, weight, power, compact size, accuracy.
Ammo is only slightly more bulky and heavy than .22rf but ~3-4x more powerful. Only ~1/2 less powerful than much more expensive .22Hornet.
And, in a pinch (survival situation- aircraft forcedowns, for instance) CAN take larger than "small" game if neccessary.
 
.22wmr is LOUD. What's the pressure of this thing? There's only been 3 known calibers that has set off my car alarm. 22-250 from a 20'' barrel, .460taylor and a .22wmr from a 4 5/8'' revolver.
 
Though this issue has been 'cussed and discussed often on this and other forums, his question was actually one of the better ones and deserved a reasonable anwser.

I agree with you but "dispatch" but "hunt with" are two completely different situations. I kinda think thats what was being ask.
I carry an American Arms 1 1/2" barrel 22 in my pocket when big game hunting for coup de grace (SP) if needed. A 22 LR will works great up close even in that tiny revolver. I have used it on a couple of deer one elk and a 150 lb dog I was ask to "put out of it's misery" because the owner could not afford to have the vet do it( not fun). Almost instant for all death if not.
Dispatch, or perfectly placed head shots are a whole different ball game than big game hunting. At least any big game hunting I have ever done. 22's are about right for cottontail rabbits.

shot placement, shot placement, shot placement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but: do use "enough" gun
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Very correct.
 
I'm not aware that the 22WMR or 22LR is legal anywhere in the US for white tail deer.
You can use anything you please in OH when filling crop damage tags.
 
"Overpenetration" is not a problem. There is no such thing as too much gun, except the gun you can't shoot well. If your bullets aren't expanding or are zipping through and you're not killing them, your shot placement is what's off. I've killed a few deer with 165gr's that zip right through both sides, never seen one take more than a couple steps, they're dead long before I'm poking them.

I think these "brown bear w/ 2mm kolibri" threads are sort of worn out. There's a lot of good questions out there about what is and what isn't possible, but in caliber questions I think the answer is always "No, if you have to ask you're not using enough gun."
 
I'm pretty late with a response to the question, but here goes. It is legal to hunt deer with a 22 mag. in my home state and I have done it a lot. All of the deer I've taken have been from a tree stand and the longest shot I've ever taken was just over 40 yards. I've shot 6 deer to date and none have gone anyplace. I've always used the 40 gr. jhp Winchester. I only shoot absolutely broadside shots and would pass on any deer that doesn't present that shot. I've never poached a deer or shot a deer under the lights and have never considered this a stunt. I would never recommend this cartridge to anyone but a knowledgeable and careful hunter. It's odd that I enjoy hunting with this round so much, I have 23 high power rifles that haven't been out of my safe in quite a long time. Not for everyone I guess, just adding information.
 
when we were young and dumb, i had a family member shoot a deer with a 22 magnum. it was deer season, and he was convinced he could do the job with it. he shot it in the head at about 80 yards. it collaped right where it stood. the only problem was that about 2 minutes later, it came to and got right back up. it was stunned, and kind of staggering. i shot it in the shoulder with my 30-30 and it dropped again, this time, it did not get back up. anyway, the 40 grain fmj bullet hit it right above the eye, and bounced off. it knocked that poor deer for a loop, but it certainly did not kill it. bottom line is when hunting, BRING ENOUGH GUN! it is your responsibility to make a quick humane kill, so the animal does not suffer unnecessarily. a 22 mag, is not enough gun!
 
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