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I just got a remington 700 varmit syn. 26 inch barrel 1-14 twist. I am looking for a good load for 40gr. nosler ballistic tips. I plan on using it mostly on ground hogs out to 300 yards. I would like a flat shooting round, to compare to my 22 -250 .I am shooting H380 40gr with 55 gr molly v max in the 250.
 
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What kind of speed are you getting out of those powders? What is your fastest & most accuret loads? What s your barrel lenght & twist?
 
loads vary depending on gun. i don't have my load notes available right now, anyway, so not sure i can help ya much. barrel lengths: 26" (bolt), 22" (bolt), 20" (bolt), 16" (ar-15), and 16" (ar-15).

each gun has its own tailored load, so i don't really have a universal, 1-for-all load to give ya, anyway.
 
I'm partial to 26 grains of H335 in a Lake City case, lit by a CCI magnum primer. Its a Max load from Speer's manual, so start under and work up. But I must admit I enjoy it when accuracy and velocity coincide...
 
Haven't messed with 40 grain pills but for bolt .223's I like Varget. I use H-335 for my AR loads and they are great under 55gr bullets.
 
For my Remington 700V (which also has the 26" barrel, I don't know the twist, but it may be the same), I can turn 1/2" MOA groups with a Hornady 40 gr. V-Max, 25.5 gr. of XMR-2015, in a Federal Gold Medal case with a CCI 400 primer.
As for comparing .223 with .22-250, there's quite a bit of difference there- from my perspective, almost an "apples-oranges" thing. The .223 is a 300-350 yard cartridge in the varmint realm, where .22-250 can "reach out and touch something" in the 500+yard ranges. I got my rifle in .223 instead of .22-250 specifically because I live in a part of the country where 300 yard shots tend to be long. If I lived in the west, with longer ranges and the compounding wind factor, it would definitely have been the .22-250.
 
Man, I don't see how you guys fire those loads out of M44s and M38s. the guns can take it but I can't. Regular Albanian military loads almost dislocate my shoulder. I retired my M38 to the gun cabinet and it's been there a long time.
 
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Thanks guys just trying to get a feel on some other loads & your personal chooses. What I meant on the 223 was a higher velocity to compare to the heavyer 55 gr in the 22-250 .both to shoot around the 3700-3800.I do shoot the 250 out to around the 500 yard mark. I am here in ohio where I dont get the real long shots,but do have a few fields that reach out to around700 yards. So I want a shorter range gun that the drop is close to the 250 at closer range 200-300yard range.
 
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Thanks guys just trying to get a feel on some other loads & your personal chooses. What I meant on the 223 was a higher velocity to compare to the heavyer 55 gr in the 22-250 .both to shoot around the 3700-3800.I do shoot the 250 out to around the 500 yard mark. I am here in ohio where I dont get the real long shots,but do have a few fields that reach out to around700 yards. So I want a shorter range gun that the drop is close to the 250 at closer range 200-300yard range.
 
223 loads

Thanks guys just trying to get a feel on some other loads & your personal chooses. What I meant on the 223 was a higher velocity to compare to the heavyer 55 gr in the 22-250 .both to shoot around the 3700-3800.I do shoot the 250 out to around the 500 yard mark. I am here in ohio where I dont get the real long shots,but do have a few fields that reach out to around700 yards. So I want a shorter range gun that the drop is close to the 250 at closer range 200-300yard range.
 
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I got a quantity blem deal on 33 gr. Vmax moly coated and have been experimenting for ground squirrel loads.

Ground squirrel loads are different from those for rock chucks or coyotes, in that the .223 may be downloaded to 218 Bee, but the barrel must stay cool and clean without cleaning with 200 rounds fired in 3 hours [about one round per minute].



>From my notes:
33 gr. .494" long. Hornady Vmax bullet moly coated by Russ Hayden, 15 gr. Blue Dot, 2.170" OAL
3534 fps measured by chronograph 26" Ruger #1 [Quickload predicts 3462 fps 34,577 psi]
1) .7" 3 shot group at 100 yards, 32X scope = .7 moa
2) 1.1" 3 shot group at 100 yards, 32X scope = 1.1 moa

What I have been learning about the .223 light bullets and fast powder is that the pressure is VERY dependent on seating depth. The bullet jammed into the lands is like 3 gr. of extra powder. If I seat the bullet long, 16 gr. may be the max load with no egg [extractor groove growth], but if I seat .023" deeper, the max load may be 19 gr.

The loads in the picture were fired in a 1903 Turkish Mauser with Rem700 take off barrel chambered with custom reamer with .030" shorter throat and .250" neck.

15 gr 2.170", no egg 3486 fps chrono'd [Quickload predicts 3406 fps 34,577 psi] [not in picture]
16 gr. 2.170", no egg [Quickload thinks is 41,376 psi 3486 fps] [pictured first on left]
17 gr. 2.170, .029" egg, primer fell out [Quickload thinks is 47,282 psi 3612 fps] [pictured second from left]
18 gr. 2.149", .0005" egg [Quickload says 54,340 psi 3740 fps] [pictured third from left]
19 gr. 2.147", .002" egg [Quickload says 61,529 psi 3857 fps] [pictured fourth from left]
20 gr. 2.149" .035" egg, primer fell out [Quickload says 69,401 psi 3969 fps] [pictured fifth from left]
20 gr. 2.101", .069" egg, primer fell out [Quickload says 71,311 psi 3887 fps] [pictured sixth from left, on the end on the right]

In the Ruger #1 [assume SAAMI chamber], 2.170" OAL, Blue Dot, 33 gr Vmax moly:
15 gr, no egg
16 gr no egg
17 gr no egg
18.25 gr, .001" egg
18.5 gr, .0005" egg
19 gr .001 -.0015" egg

What does it all mean?
a) Quickload is close to the right pressure and velocity with low pressure or off the lands, but as the light bullet jams the lands with hot loads of peaky pistol powder, the pressure goes way high and quickload is clueless.
b) different guns can give different results
 

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I loaded some 40gr bullets for my 22-250 but was pushing right around 4100 fps with them. Decided to go with 50gr loads at 3900 to keep from shooting the barrel out too fast.
 
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Clark what primers are you using with your 26 gr reloader 10.Nice hot load hows your accuracy with this load? Thanks
Lenny yea I am shooting 55 V max mollys In my 22-250 about 3700 fps. Thanks
 
I am using CCI400 small rifle primers.

I am not a proponent of hot loads for hunting with .223.
I just like to know where the limits are.

I am probably going to fire a thousand round of 15 gr Blue Dot 33 gr Vmax moly at ground squirrells within the next month. That is ~3,500 fps and ~35,000 psi.

A wimpy load, really.

Two years ago I did shot squirrells with 200 rounds of 60 gr soft point moly and 13 gr Blue Dot = 2,600 fps and 35,000 psi, and will blow a ground squirrell into two pieces.

This year I want to vaporize them.
 
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Thanks Clark ! Your hunt sounds like a great Time!! I dont have any hunting like that here, alot of groundhogs but nothing like that!
 
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I just got a remington 700 varmit syn. 26 inch barrel 1-14 twist. QUOTE

Unusual, normally the Remington .223 comes in a 1 in 12 twist, the .22-250 in Remingtons are usually equipped with 1 in 14 twists.

Accurate has a powder, 2230C, very ecconomical that sure does good in the .223s, they also offered a powder, WCR845 that was awesome with the light bullets, My load with either was 27.5 gains with a 40 grain bullet. GREAT Accuracy, good speed.
 
2230C is all but gone, it was a one time surplus powder.

The replacement is Data 68, but no one seems to have put much testing on it.

If you can get 2230C, hoard it as it not made anymore.
 
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I dont know the speck sheet I got shows all 3 varmit models with 1-14 twist.
Thanks for the information on the 2230C !
 
If indeed its a 1 in 14 twist, I doubt that it would stablize the pointy 55 grain bullets, ie; Nosler balistic tips, hornady Vmax, or serria blitz kings. Some .22-250s with a 1 in 14 twist have trouble stablizing the long 55 grainers, and it has considerably more speed to help.

I never understood the manufactuers thoughts when they gave the .22-250s a 1 in 14 twist, a 55 grain bullet is where the .22-250 should shine,,IMO.
 
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I am no expert on barrel twist! With the 1 -14 twist is this better on smaller or larger bullet? (40gr or 55gr) ? Thanks
 
The faster the twist the "longer" the bullet it will stabilize. You may find the Sierra or Speer 55 gr SP work just fine and the Hornady or Nosler plastic tipped 55s won`t stay on paper. (V-Max and Ballistic tips) The plastic tips don`t add weight, but they do add lenght.
I`d try working with 52-53gr and under bullets if I had stability trouble with the 1 in 14 twist.
 
Your 223 Rem 700 VS is 1in12 twist not 1in14 twist.
I do not think that you will ever find a bad combo in the 223.

My favorite combo is WW brass, N133, and Fed 205 primers launching a 50gr Vmax! Awesome!

On the cheap, Rem bulk 50gr PLHP bullets are an awesome value loaded ahead of some Varget!

I have tried Varget at 27.5gr in WW brass with Rem 7.5 primer sparking it to launch a 40gr Vmax, 50gr Vmax, or 55gr NBT did provide one hole groups repeatedly!

H322 with light bullets like the 52gr SMK would be awesome!
 
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Thanks Guys! Got the twist down now 1-12. How on the powders,with 40 gr nosler ball. tips,I am going to pick up some saturday,Icalled they have Varget, H 335, H 322 & reloader 10. Which I have got good reviews on all,Iwant accuracy and at least 3600 fps any quick suggestions, I will be loading winchester brass.
 
2230C is all but gone, it was a one time surplus powder.

The replacement is Data 68, but no one seems to have put much testing on it.

Data 68 has the same burning rate as AA2015, not 2230. Check the Accurate web site to be sure, they have load data for it.
 
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