.22LR Beretta Bobcat?

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Thoughts on carrying a Beretta 21A Bobcat in .22LR?

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I have one of these on order and am thinking about making it my pocket gun. With the new .22LR defensive loads like Federal Punch, or even the classic loads like CCI Velocitor, it seems like 7+1 of .22LR would be nothing to sneeze at. I’d never volunteer to stand in front of one, and it beats the .45 left at home. And training ammo for it would be incredibly cheap compared to anything else.

Thoughts?
 
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I have one. It is a well-made great little gun. They can be picky on what ammo they like, but mine is very reliable with several varieties. I've never carried it for self-defense, the Kel-Tec P32 and Ruger LCP are about the same height and length but thinnner and carry a bit more punch than a .22 LR.

You'll have Jeff Cooper rolling over in his grave. :)
 
Cool little guns. I have always liked them. Classy and well built.

Had one, traded it, kind of missed it and got another one later on. I don't consider mine a defense gun and would recommend a micro-.380 as a pocket rocket before one of these.

There are more satisfying and useful .22 handguns I would look into before these as a trainer, unless you are training to shoot said micro-.380 or some other small centerfire pocket gun.


Make absolutely sure it is vetted and fully reliable with the ammo of your choice before carrying. Mini Mags seem to do well for many folks. The hyper-velocity stuff is actually kind of hard on the gun, although I wouldn't hesitate to load up with it for defensive purposes. Keep it spotless. Good luck.
 
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I had two over the years. They arent "small", chubby would be a better description. I cant imagine one in a pants pocket. There are larger calibers that are smaller and would work better.

Both of mine were fine when clean, but they got finicky real quick as they get dirty. If youre not one to clean every time out, you will likely have trouble when you least want it. The tip-up barrel is nice, but I think the lack of an extractor is the problem there.

While the 22's we have now seem to be a lot better as far as reliability goes, they still arent as reliable as the centerfire rounds. While I rarely have dead strikes these days with the 22's Ive been using (mostly CCI Blazers), especially with my autos, I did have one the other day while shooting my Beretta M9-22, so its still something thats hanging on and something to keep in mind. If youre going to carry it, best be up on your malfunction drills.
 
I'm pretty much a fan of very small BBD range point and shoot handguns as a SD layer. And kinda like real estate, I tend to think the three rules might be location, Location, LOCATION with the addition of again. Again, AGAIN.

When under stress being able to relatively accurately place multiple rounds in a fairly compact grouping is essential.

I have a fairly wide range of small handguns in 22LR, 25acp, 32acp and .380. In the little 22LRs I have the Bobcat as well as the Taurus Annoying Cricket PT-22 Poly. Both have pretty chubby grips but that is an advantage when it comes to control under stress. The Taurus might have a slightly better grip in my hand than the Bobcat and both have been equally reliable BUT only when kept clean and using the brand and type ammo they like. The Taurus has been slightly more forgiving when it comes to variety than the Bobcat.

In the small 25acps I prefer the FN & Colt designed vest pockets that have the safety as well as grip safety over those that have just one safety like my Baby Browning and others. The Colt's safety/slide lock is better in clearance issues as it locks the slide with the port fully open. The FN safety/slide lock is designed to hold the slide open at the takedown point and so is easier during general maintenance. I've honestly had almost no failure to feed, fire or eject though with either so my FN seems to get to go WalkAbout more often than the Colt.

In little 32acps the Tomcat is just about the same size as the Bobcat but with a slightly wider slide.

In .380s I have the S&W Bodyguard, Remington 380, Beretta Pico and Ruger LCP as well as the slightly larger but still compact Sig P-230 and P-290-RS. (An EG Makarov also in the same size/weight category as the Sig P-230)

The PT-22 holds 8+1 rounds while the Bobcat is 7 +1.

The Vest Pockets are 6 + 1 rounds.

The Tomcat holds 7 + 1 rounds.

The smaller .380s are 6 + 1 rounds.

In my hands and using point & shoot at BBD ranges, control and repeatability is as follows.

The Taurus PT-22 with its chubby and slightly longer grip is the easiest of the whole bunch when it comes to control and repeatability.

The Bobcat and Vest Pockets come next.

The big chubby grip on the Tomcat also really helps with control.

The .380s though are really the outlier. The .380 is a big enough step up in recoil and the grips pretty short and in the case of the Pico really, really slim that control and repeatability (again in my hand) becomes a noticeable issue. Groupings spread out significantly compared to the others as well as return to POA and second shot.

However, regardless of what other handguns I might carry, it's almost certain that one of the little gems will be in my pocket.
 
No thank you. Based on my experience shooting small game with a 22 rifle, I would not use a 22 handgun to defend myself from anything dangerous unless I didn't have access to a more powerful handgun for some reason. Leaving a more powerful handgun at home in favor of a 22 isn't a lack of access- in my humble opinion, it is just not a responsible decision.
 
I carry mine as a BUG too, in the concealed left-side chest pocket of my LA Gear shirt. You know, those thin, velcro-lined pockets with the vertical opening that are practically undetectable. Even inside its De Santis pocket holster the Bobcat sits comfortably.
 
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Thoughts on carrying a Beretta 21A Bobcat in .22LR?

I have one of these on order and am thinking about making it my pocket gun. With the new .22LR defensive loads like Federal Punch, or even the classic loads like CCI Velocitor, it seems like 7+1 of .22LR would be nothing to sneeze at. I’d never volunteer to stand in front of one, and it beats the .45 left at home. And training ammo for it would be incredibly cheap compared to anything else.

Thoughts?

Congrats on the new pistola!

Back in the '90s, I carried a Bobcat in .22LR on occasion. It was my first .22 handgun of any kind. I had little money at the time and having something that fired .22LR helps the wallet when the wallet is thin.

However, I did move up to larger cartridges for pocket guns in the 2000s. In order of acquisition: Taurus 85UL, NAA Guardian, Taurus TCP732, and Remington RM380. The two pocket .32s I had/have are slimmer than the Bobcat and they can run many more magazines in a row than my old Bobcat ever could.

While my RM380 is slightly larger than my Bobcat, it certainly isn't thicker either. And that RM380 is the softest shooting pocket .380 I've had experience with. Even softer shooting than my old NAA Guardian in .32 ACP. Plus, the RM is easy to rack with its large weighted slide and light recoil springs, not to mention locked breech versus blowback.

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I'm pretty much a fan of very small BBD range point and shoot handguns as a SD layer. And kinda like real estate, I tend to think the three rules might be location, Location, LOCATION with the addition of again. Again, AGAIN.

When under stress being able to relatively accurately place multiple rounds in a fairly compact grouping is essential.

I have a fairly wide range of small handguns in 22LR, 25acp, 32acp and .380. In the little 22LRs I have the Bobcat as well as the Taurus Annoying Cricket PT-22 Poly. Both have pretty chubby grips but that is an advantage when it comes to control under stress. The Taurus might have a slightly better grip in my hand than the Bobcat and both have been equally reliable BUT only when kept clean and using the brand and type ammo they like. The Taurus has been slightly more forgiving when it comes to variety than the Bobcat.

In the small 25acps I prefer the FN & Colt designed vest pockets that have the safety as well as grip safety over those that have just one safety like my Baby Browning and others. The Colt's safety/slide lock is better in clearance issues as it locks the slide with the port fully open. The FN safety/slide lock is designed to hold the slide open at the takedown point and so is easier during general maintenance. I've honestly had almost no failure to feed, fire or eject though with either so my FN seems to get to go WalkAbout more often than the Colt.

In little 32acps the Tomcat is just about the same size as the Bobcat but with a slightly wider slide.

In .380s I have the S&W Bodyguard, Remington 380, Beretta Pico and Ruger LCP as well as the slightly larger but still compact Sig P-230 and P-290-RS. (An EG Makarov also in the same size/weight category as the Sig P-230)

The PT-22 holds 8+1 rounds while the Bobcat is 7 +1.

The Vest Pockets are 6 + 1 rounds.

The Tomcat holds 7 + 1 rounds.

The smaller .380s are 6 + 1 rounds.

In my hands and using point & shoot at BBD ranges, control and repeatability is as follows.

The Taurus PT-22 with its chubby and slightly longer grip is the easiest of the whole bunch when it comes to control and repeatability.

The Bobcat and Vest Pockets come next.

The big chubby grip on the Tomcat also really helps with control.

The .380s though are really the outlier. The .380 is a big enough step up in recoil and the grips pretty short and in the case of the Pico really, really slim that control and repeatability (again in my hand) becomes a noticeable issue. Groupings spread out significantly compared to the others as well as return to POA and second shot.

However, regardless of what other handguns I might carry, it's almost certain that one of the little gems will be in my pocket.

Nice write up. Good info.
 
1st rule of surviving a gun fight, have a gun.
Is the .22 ideal? No, not even close but, if its a choice of that or nothing? I of course would take it. Many fights end as soon as a gun is shown, often the good guy never has to fire a round. Few scum are willing to let you shoot them just because the gun is small. I still have one of these in .32. Wish I had kept one in .22 as it was fun as hell to play with and cheap. They tend to like the higher end ammo like CCI. Now for pocket carry it is "chunky" but if you like it? Who cares. One thing about these is they hold value amazingly well. Every time I see a used one I would like to get they always are going for damn near what a new one sells for. So they have that going for them. If you decide later you do not want it, easy to sell for a good price.
 
I have a 950 I carried every now and then, before I bought an LCP. Not that 25 ACP is leaps and bounds more powerful than a .22 but over the years, the number of “dud” .22’s has greatly surpassed the number of centerfire rounds in all calibers that would not go “bang.”

I also sanded down the Mag release, flush with the grip, so it wouldn’t eject while in my pocket.

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The big selling point on these guns is that you don't have to pull the slide back to charge it, just tip up the barrel and drop in a cartridge.

That feature is even more important when you have a dud with a pistol that has no extractor…you can’t just pull the slide back to eject the dud and chamber the next round in the magazine.
 
They are nice little guns and a few have passed through my hands over the years. One issue I did keep running into concerns trouble with clearing a bad round. The Bobcat doesn’t have an extractor, and if you get a dud or squib round, you have to pop the barrel and pull the round out. My Walther TPH and LCP 22 in .22lr both have extractors and clearing dud rounds is much easier. That said, the Bobcat points well, and has second strike capability, which is nice for .22lr ammo. Moral of the story, if you buy a 21a, practice with it enough to know it quirks and it’ll make a decent ccw. Good luck.
 
Thoughts on carrying a Beretta 21A Bobcat in .22LR?
I’d never volunteer to stand in front of one, and it beats the .45 left at home.
Thoughts?

Why is it either a 22lr or a 45?
If one is limited to pocket carry because a tucked shirt is required, seems that a LCP380 or even better a Kahr PM9 would be preferred.
LCP 380 is similar in size, but lighter:
https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/beretta-21a-bobcat-vs-ruger-lcp

Is not volunteering to stand in front of ____ (get shot by it) evidence that _____ is a good choice for SD?
I'd not volunteer to stand in front of a BB gun, that does not make a BB gun a preferred choice for SD.
 
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