.22lr bullets twist in the case
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stevekozak
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Not for that reason. Why the sub sonics in such a tiny pistol?
Everything you shoot out of this thing will be subsonic.
Yes, I have a lot of bulk .22 ammo that does this. Only thing on my mind is the powder going bad. Probably thinking too much on it though, never had an issue with the cheap stuff.
In that gun, I'd be using the hottest ammo I could find.
Yes, everything will be subsonic through it, but why make it even less effective by using sub-sonic-to-begin-with stuff?
And on the twist- I discovered that in 1959.
Still shoots.
Denis
Yes, everything will be subsonic through it, but why make it even less effective by using sub-sonic-to-begin-with stuff?
And on the twist- I discovered that in 1959.
Still shoots.
Denis
We are getting a little off topic.
Are there any .22 bullets actually crimped?
Are there any .22 bullets actually crimped?
.22lr from 1959?And on the twist- I discovered that in 1959.
Still shoots.
Denis
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All .22 ammo is crimped.
But the bullets are all soft lead heeled bullets.
And the crimp, no matter how much, cuts into the soft bullet heels and they get loose and can rotate in the case.
As for the 60 grain Aguila SSS?
Really not a bad choice for a little gun.
What little testing I have done out of a S&W 1 7/8" revolver shows the nearly unstable bullets tumble and bend as soon as they hit filled water jugs.
And tear the crap out of the first jug, and badly damage the second one.
More damage then with CCI Stingers do anyway.
rc
But the bullets are all soft lead heeled bullets.
And the crimp, no matter how much, cuts into the soft bullet heels and they get loose and can rotate in the case.
As for the 60 grain Aguila SSS?
Really not a bad choice for a little gun.
What little testing I have done out of a S&W 1 7/8" revolver shows the nearly unstable bullets tumble and bend as soon as they hit filled water jugs.
And tear the crap out of the first jug, and badly damage the second one.
More damage then with CCI Stingers do anyway.
rc
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Ditto. I have pulled bullets out by hand before, just out of curiosity. I have also twisted them around (though not pulling them out) then fired them. As for loose bullets affecting reliability, well, sure. That's .22LR for ya!
Johnny_B_Goode
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I have seen a lot of 22LR gel tests. CCI stingers are the penetration king. Most of the time from a pistol the hollow point does not expand. The stinger will have so much more velocity than the 60gr bullet it will beat is like a drum. I cannot recall a stinger failing to fire. I carry a 22LR as a backup myself. I put a lot of effort into ammo selection. My 22LR pistol has a 2" barrel. Stingers are the only round I have tried that will go through a 6x6 post fired from the 2" barrel. You know they will penetrate well over 12" of ballistic gelatin. Moreover you cannot pull the bullet out of a stinger with your fingers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R22ah5S9pu4
This is a mini mag test, another very reliable 22round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iotrkj3zMO4
I can say thins much about the 40 gr solid super x, it will go through a 150 lb deer. Deer bones are much denser than human bones and they have very little fat, all hard muscle. A friend killed a deer with a 22 rifle. I don't know how many times he shot the deer but every shot went through the deer. he was probably in self defense range. I asked him how far was the deer. He just said the deer committed suicide. The 40gr superx has a velocity of 1,300 fps from a rifle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R22ah5S9pu4
This is a mini mag test, another very reliable 22round.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iotrkj3zMO4
I can say thins much about the 40 gr solid super x, it will go through a 150 lb deer. Deer bones are much denser than human bones and they have very little fat, all hard muscle. A friend killed a deer with a 22 rifle. I don't know how many times he shot the deer but every shot went through the deer. he was probably in self defense range. I asked him how far was the deer. He just said the deer committed suicide. The 40gr superx has a velocity of 1,300 fps from a rifle.
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Thank you for the info, rc.
I knew that .22lr is a heeled bullet but didn't know they are actually crimped. Some of the remington ammo I have I feel like the bullet was just pressed into the case and they called it a day. Still works fine though.
I knew that .22lr is a heeled bullet but didn't know they are actually crimped. Some of the remington ammo I have I feel like the bullet was just pressed into the case and they called it a day. Still works fine though.
Johnny_B_Goode
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The SuperX in the 100 round plastic box is better ammo than the bulk ammo. The superX actually has a jacketed bullet, not a copper washed bullet. I really like CCI ammo because the primers are very dependable. if I could not get CCI ammo I would flip coin to decide between the Eley Primed ammo and the SuperX.
Aguila uses Eley priming as well. I've never had a dud with Aguila, Eley, or CCI (not counting the bulk Blazer ammo, I recall getting a dud or two).
BCRider
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The only risk I can see is that the loose fit that allows the bullet to turn easily in the case can also allow moisture to get into the powder over time. So if you get the gun wet it could well compromise the ammo depending on how wet it gets and for how long.
wally
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I'd wager his thinking is he'll lose so much velocity with the short barrel that he wants the heaviest bullet available.
As rc pointed out the stability of this round in many guns is marginal at best which may also help terminal performance if he actually hits with what is a very short range combination.
Could be.
Just seems starting out with an anemic round renders an already anemic gun even more anemic.
I carried one of those little .22s in a uniform shirt pocket at work for the last few years before I retired.
It was the SECOND backup, entirely last-ditch, I had no illusions about its capabilities, but I carried hi-vel rounds in it.
I wanted the MOST it could produce, not the LEAST.
Denis
Just seems starting out with an anemic round renders an already anemic gun even more anemic.
I carried one of those little .22s in a uniform shirt pocket at work for the last few years before I retired.
It was the SECOND backup, entirely last-ditch, I had no illusions about its capabilities, but I carried hi-vel rounds in it.
I wanted the MOST it could produce, not the LEAST.
Denis
Yes wally, that is what I think.
DPris I carry mine in the same location.
I'm open to suggestions, I am probably going to switch to something from CCI's Premium line since I have never had a rimfire crimp go loose with their stuff. I'm honestly more worried about the reliability than what I'm shooting out of it. Not much of a spread with what .22 ammo is out there.
Maybe Velocitors or Mini-Mag because of the 40 grain weight. DPris what did you carry in it?
DPris I carry mine in the same location.
I'm open to suggestions, I am probably going to switch to something from CCI's Premium line since I have never had a rimfire crimp go loose with their stuff. I'm honestly more worried about the reliability than what I'm shooting out of it. Not much of a spread with what .22 ammo is out there.
Maybe Velocitors or Mini-Mag because of the 40 grain weight. DPris what did you carry in it?
Mainsail
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Wait, you say the bullets are twisting in the case? Are they twisting around by themselves, or are you twisting them?
If the former; drop it in the dirt and run like the wind.
If the latter; stop doing that.
If the former; drop it in the dirt and run like the wind.
If the latter; stop doing that.
Twisting around by themselves...
Dunno if it was a bad batch but I found some other Aguila .22s I have and those only twist if I do it by hand. Crimp on those ones seem better.
Your .22 ammo is not defective and will work as usual. .22LR has a "healed" bullet, i.e. the bullet diameter is the same as the case diameter and the lower part of the bullet inside the case is of smaller diameter with cupped base that expands to seal against the case when fired. The case is crimped to hold the bullet in the case, not to prevent it from turning.
I've been shooting .22 (Short, Long & Long Rifle) since 1959. I don't remember a time when they did spin in the case. I always thought it was intended as an aid to the rifling-added rotation. But then I figured it didn't really do that so I just shot 'em and enjoyed 'em.
I was fooling around with one of my father's .22 rounds I found one day, discovered the bullet could be twisted by hand.
Tried it with a couple more over the past 50-something years since then, found some that would.
They all shot fine.
Denis
Tried it with a couple more over the past 50-something years since then, found some that would.
They all shot fine.
Denis
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