25-06 Blitzking
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Tolkachi Robotnik
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Have not tried them.
I use some 75 grain Sierra bullets and they are fair. There is not much attachment to the rifling and the accuracy suffers in my rifle compared to 120, 117, and 115 grain bullets of all kinds.
I would recommend you try mild loads and would expect the groups to get larger as you get faster and faster. Even at mild loads they will be plenty fast. Reasoning here is to give the bullet enough time to start spinning.
You rifle might be different.
Mine has a long barrel and is fairly heavy.
I use some 75 grain Sierra bullets and they are fair. There is not much attachment to the rifling and the accuracy suffers in my rifle compared to 120, 117, and 115 grain bullets of all kinds.
I would recommend you try mild loads and would expect the groups to get larger as you get faster and faster. Even at mild loads they will be plenty fast. Reasoning here is to give the bullet enough time to start spinning.
You rifle might be different.
Mine has a long barrel and is fairly heavy.
Peter M. Eick
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I agree. I have not had good luck on the accuracy with the 70's for my 25/06's. Once I get over 100 grns accuracy improves noticeably in both of them so I no longer buy light bullets for mine.
witchhunter
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I used to use Sierra 75 grain Hollow points out of mine at around 3675 fps. They hit hard on coyotes!
Jcinnb
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Mine keyhole a lot. At the other extreme, to get the bullet remotely near the lands, there was very little seating depth.
Tolkachi Robotnik
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Old Ruger M77
Heavy nine pounder. Barrel 23 inches from receiver to muzzle and a lot of the weight. I will not push a cloth down bore right now as it is still deer season and it would throw my first shot off...
I am with witchhunter above, it will work on coyotes. My experience is that the 120 grain bullets do to!
I would recommend trying the slowest powder listed for that size of bullet, reasoning being it will accelerate slower and maybe spin a little better before it leaves barrel. I always wonder if the best loads for mine aren't due to the oomph being mostly out of the powder as it reaches the end of the barrel, letting a very uniform release into the open air. I am sure you can use 75 grain jacketed data starting at the bottom. It is a sort of over-bored magnum considering the chamber volume and the energy necessary to get the bullet going out properly. The other advantage of the slower choices include having less aspect issues for greater uniformity of burn, and hopefully steady velocity.
Again, speed is not first consideration, they will go plenty fast for anything you might want to do with them, unless you just want to burn up your bore so you can have it re-bored to 35 Whelen.
Heavy nine pounder. Barrel 23 inches from receiver to muzzle and a lot of the weight. I will not push a cloth down bore right now as it is still deer season and it would throw my first shot off...
I am with witchhunter above, it will work on coyotes. My experience is that the 120 grain bullets do to!
I would recommend trying the slowest powder listed for that size of bullet, reasoning being it will accelerate slower and maybe spin a little better before it leaves barrel. I always wonder if the best loads for mine aren't due to the oomph being mostly out of the powder as it reaches the end of the barrel, letting a very uniform release into the open air. I am sure you can use 75 grain jacketed data starting at the bottom. It is a sort of over-bored magnum considering the chamber volume and the energy necessary to get the bullet going out properly. The other advantage of the slower choices include having less aspect issues for greater uniformity of burn, and hopefully steady velocity.
Again, speed is not first consideration, they will go plenty fast for anything you might want to do with them, unless you just want to burn up your bore so you can have it re-bored to 35 Whelen.
Peter M. Eick
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Rem 700 25/06 Sendero
Ruger #1 Varmint 25/06.
Both of mine have shown strong likes and dislikes of bullets.
Ruger #1 Varmint 25/06.
Both of mine have shown strong likes and dislikes of bullets.
Jcinnb
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My twist rate is 12:1. If they were longer I would have thought they were perfect!
Dthunter
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One of the issues for getting shorter bullets to shoot well in a factory chamber is the distance the unsupported bullet has to travel from the case mouth to the rifling lands. If the bullet gets tipped in relation to the bore axis as it is engraved into the rifling, the bullets structure is sort of swedged off center. Any rotating element be it a bullet or shaft, will not stabilise properly if its out of round/concentric.
Longer and susequently heavier bullets are guided more by the case mouth untill the bullet is started into the rifling. It has a much better chance to stay on line to the target.
High end precision rifles will have a tighter tolerance around the neck of the cartridge and the rifling will be cut to match the style of bullets intended to shoot. This gives the bullet a super chance to stay colinear with the bore axis during the firing sequence.
If the rifling twist rate is insufficient, the bullet will not gyroscopically stabilise, and accuracy will be non exsistant as well.
As in anything, a well balanced setup/bullet to twist rate, will be your friend.
Longer and susequently heavier bullets are guided more by the case mouth untill the bullet is started into the rifling. It has a much better chance to stay on line to the target.
High end precision rifles will have a tighter tolerance around the neck of the cartridge and the rifling will be cut to match the style of bullets intended to shoot. This gives the bullet a super chance to stay colinear with the bore axis during the firing sequence.
If the rifling twist rate is insufficient, the bullet will not gyroscopically stabilise, and accuracy will be non exsistant as well.
As in anything, a well balanced setup/bullet to twist rate, will be your friend.
MSgtEgress
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If you seat the bullets out so they have the same OAL and have similar ogives to your 100g or 117g bullets they should not experience the bullet jump / distortion that Dthunter mentioned. I haven't used the Blitzking but I have used the 75g Hornady V-max and they are tack drivers in my 25-06 and will turn a coyote inside out. I have a custom Mauser with a 1 in 10 twist 22 in barrel and will group 5 in 3/4" I think the v-max is a little longer than the 70g Sierra but I cant think extra 5 grains would make that much of a difference. Even though my 1 in 10 is a fairly fast for such a light bullet but my I don't have any over-stabilization issues. A 1 in 12 barrel should shoot lighter bullets better than heaver ones. "Keyholing" is usually seen more with under-stabilized (Heavy for caliber). If you are over-stabilizing you can ease back on the velocity to correct it
Jcinnb
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Dudes, put my first Berger 95's down range today. A lot longer bullet. 43.5 of 4350, and .01 off lands. Bingo. Basically five shots, one hole....big hole but one hole. I was gonna keep it goin, but range closed early due to mist and dark. Wow!!!
I shot the Sierra 75 gr out of my 700 VS for 1 season. Very accurate bullet from my rifle, it impressed even me. Using IMR4064 this bullet was moving at 3700 fps from my 24 inch barrel. I used this for hunting groundhogs in OH. The bullet had one fatal flaw, it ran out of steam at 300 yards. For this reason I have no ambition to try the 70 gr bullet. When I gave up on this bullet it wasn't for lack of accuracy.
I can't understand why others say they had bad accuracy and recommend shooting the 75 gr at lower velocity. You can't seat this bullet out to the rifleing. In so doing you'll lose a lot of neck tension and that will effect accuracy.
For hunting purposes I've always done better with the 85 gr to 90 gr bullets. Using RL17 I've been moving the 85 gr Nosler at 3630 fps.
My rifle has a 1:10 twist.
I can't understand why others say they had bad accuracy and recommend shooting the 75 gr at lower velocity. You can't seat this bullet out to the rifleing. In so doing you'll lose a lot of neck tension and that will effect accuracy.
For hunting purposes I've always done better with the 85 gr to 90 gr bullets. Using RL17 I've been moving the 85 gr Nosler at 3630 fps.
My rifle has a 1:10 twist.
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Dthunter
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The amount of distortion a bullet may get from not entering the bore axis straight os dependant on the severity of misalignment.
If a shooters load is assembled with good components, and concentric, they have a better chance that the load will peform.
As stated above by a few shooters, some rifles shoot these shorter bullets very well.
My 25-06 likes them well enough, but when the real precision work starts, the heavier 110-120 grain bullets get the nod.
I enjoy shooting at very long distances, so a long stable bullet suits my purposes better.
I am starting a project with a 25-06, 1:9" twist barrel. I will try
To stabilise A 135 grain rebated boattail bullet. I want to attempt to take the 25-06 to 1760 yards ( 1 mile). Just because.
My switch barrel rifle will get the chance to do this with the 270, 280,30-06, as well. I am even going to try to see what the 35 Whelan can do.
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Neck tension does funny things sometimes for sure! With very little bullet inside the case, and a big jump to the lands, equates to an inconsistant pressure dynamic.
If the barrel was throated for the shorter bullets,(allowing the bullet to either touch or nearly so), it would improve the internal ballistics and produce the best results for this bullet wieght range.
When a bullet has sufficient shank within the case neck to create consistant burn characteristics, a shooters potential with thier rifle significantly improves. Consistant tension is the key.
Longer bullets tend to shoot better because alignment is easier to achieve in factory chambers. A 1:10 or 1:12" twist will stabilize most .257 cal bullets sufficiently.
The lighter .257 bullets definitely decellerate badly at longer distances! (300+yards) If a shooters purpose for thier rifle is within this distance, thier golden.
If longer ranges are the flavour of the day, higher BC is simply required.
I am very fortunate to have access to a bullet makers equipment! Him and I try all kinds of fun stuff!
At the end of the day, if the 70ish grain bullets shoot well in your rifle, then good! Fly at er! If they dont, you can see here why they can be finiky.
If a shooters load is assembled with good components, and concentric, they have a better chance that the load will peform.
As stated above by a few shooters, some rifles shoot these shorter bullets very well.
My 25-06 likes them well enough, but when the real precision work starts, the heavier 110-120 grain bullets get the nod.
I enjoy shooting at very long distances, so a long stable bullet suits my purposes better.
I am starting a project with a 25-06, 1:9" twist barrel. I will try
To stabilise A 135 grain rebated boattail bullet. I want to attempt to take the 25-06 to 1760 yards ( 1 mile). Just because.
My switch barrel rifle will get the chance to do this with the 270, 280,30-06, as well. I am even going to try to see what the 35 Whelan can do.
Joed:
Neck tension does funny things sometimes for sure! With very little bullet inside the case, and a big jump to the lands, equates to an inconsistant pressure dynamic.
If the barrel was throated for the shorter bullets,(allowing the bullet to either touch or nearly so), it would improve the internal ballistics and produce the best results for this bullet wieght range.
When a bullet has sufficient shank within the case neck to create consistant burn characteristics, a shooters potential with thier rifle significantly improves. Consistant tension is the key.
Longer bullets tend to shoot better because alignment is easier to achieve in factory chambers. A 1:10 or 1:12" twist will stabilize most .257 cal bullets sufficiently.
The lighter .257 bullets definitely decellerate badly at longer distances! (300+yards) If a shooters purpose for thier rifle is within this distance, thier golden.
If longer ranges are the flavour of the day, higher BC is simply required.
I am very fortunate to have access to a bullet makers equipment! Him and I try all kinds of fun stuff!
At the end of the day, if the 70ish grain bullets shoot well in your rifle, then good! Fly at er! If they dont, you can see here why they can be finiky.
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AABEN
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I have a Savage that will put the Sierra 75 Gr Varminter 3/4 and the 100 match king HP in 1/2. I use accurate 4350 powder.Winchester primers. I am 73 and can NOT shoot as good as I use to. Some times it open up to 1 in and 11/2 in. I do kill a lot of paper.
That 75 gr bullet is just a little to light for the caliber in my opinion. My rifle shot it well but no way around it, at 300 yards it ran out of steam. I had groundhogs that looked like they exploded, and I hit some that acted like the bullet bounced off them.
Never had that happen with 85 gr to 90 gr bullets. One thing that always struck me as odd with these bullets was I could tell a hit by the sound. It always made a noise that sounded like a slap.
The .25-06 is my favorite cartridge. My opinion is it could be the best cartridge of all if it had some decent bullets. The biggest problem is most of the bullets were made a long time ago and they just aren't that great compared to everything else in other calibers.
Never had that happen with 85 gr to 90 gr bullets. One thing that always struck me as odd with these bullets was I could tell a hit by the sound. It always made a noise that sounded like a slap.
The .25-06 is my favorite cartridge. My opinion is it could be the best cartridge of all if it had some decent bullets. The biggest problem is most of the bullets were made a long time ago and they just aren't that great compared to everything else in other calibers.
Dthunter
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Its too bad the 257 caliber wasnt more poular! The only reason there isnt any very high BC bullets available is because the sales of this diameter doesnt justify the big manufacturers including them in thier line up.
The berger 115 isnt too bad though!
Its too bad the 257 caliber wasnt more poular! The only reason there isnt any very high BC bullets available is because the sales of this diameter doesnt justify the big manufacturers including them in thier line up.
The berger 115 isnt too bad though!
I have some of those Berger 115's but don't shoot to much of the heavy stuff in my rifle. Also bought quite a few of the new Sierra 90 gr for it that have a .388 bc. This bullet shows what can be done.
You can find newer bullets with a decent bc but there are to many bullets with a low bc that are still being sold. Just wish the caliber offered better bullets.
Still, my rifle is used for hunting and not target shooting.
You can find newer bullets with a decent bc but there are to many bullets with a low bc that are still being sold. Just wish the caliber offered better bullets.
Still, my rifle is used for hunting and not target shooting.
Dthunter
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The 25-06 seems to flatten animals way above its percieved power!
Peter M. Eick
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I will definately agree with that statement. Had I bought a 25/06 before I bought my 7/08 deer rifle, I would not have picked up the 7/08. The 25/06 seems to have more power than it should for the size bullet.
Wade Angelloz
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I load the Barnes 100gr TSX with 61.5grs of H4831SC, getting 3625fps and it makes 1 hole at 100yds. Shot A 210lb whitetail buck at 310yds, hit him in the shoulder and the bullet kept going, deer fell on impact. I can not say enough about the 25-05AI with the Barnes TSX. Love It.
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