25-20 Win to .256 Win Mag?

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In the past 60 or so years, I have managed to purchase five Winchesters in 25-20, along with a couple Remington pumps in that caliber. Current advice is to form the 25-20 from 32-20. Now I understand the 32-20 is also gone.
I do have a 92 Win that someone converted to .256 WM, which I can form from .357. The bullets are only .001 apart.
I am not a gunsmith, so I'm looking for thoughts on the feasibility or problems involved in the conversion.
 
Bolt faces can be enlarged and extractors modified, but magazine may be a hurdle with the .032" larger rim diameter.

Other issue is action strength, .256 having a larger rim and much higher operating pressure that translates to greatly increased bolt thrust. Modern Win 92s and Marlin 1894s can certainly handle it, but I couldn't advise on the vintage 92s or especially the Remington model 25s that were discontinued almost a century ago and were never built in anything other than .25-20 and .32-20.
 
What do you mean the 32-20 is also gone? It's alive and well if you reload. I load and shoot thousands of rounds of 32-20 each year. As with many things Starline doesn't have 32-20 brass available at the moment but they do runs of it once in a while. If you are wanting some best to contact Starline. The more request they get for something they will realize there is enough demand to make a run or at least open up for backorders. I also saw some factory loaded 32-20 ammo available at a recent show.
 
…I do have a 92 Win that someone converted to .256 WM, which I can form from .357. The bullets are only .001 apart.…
No, the bores of both calibers are the same. The “.256” moniker is just a name like .219 Zipper or .356 Winchester, not an actual dimension. Too, because the original chamber is about 0.048” longer the new reamer may not clean up the original throat and may even leave a step in the original neck.



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You can also use .218Bee brass to form .25/20.
5yrs ago, I had to purchase.25-20 and .218 dies (already had .32-20 dies) to form .218Bee brass as .218Bee brass was going for $2 a piece!

Then, Hornady made a run of brass and ammo? I bought brass!
Do contact Starline.
.25-20 from .32-20 amounted to just running.32-20 brass in a .25-20 die.

All three are delightful rounds to shoot. I MUCH prefer the .218Bee to the .22Hornet. My Marlin M1894 out shoots the Ruger M77/22Hornet.

I’d love to have a .25-20! I’ve got a Marlin M1893 in .25-36, but it uses a .30-30 size case, so is a different genre from the .25-20.
 
It be nice if Winchester would just make a run of .25-20 ammo. I always see rifles chambered in it on sale on Gunbroker that were made in the 50s and 60s, so doesn't seem that long ago that they still made rifles in it.
 
As a reloading proposition, making 25-20 from 32-20 is no big trick. Starline has .32-20 brass on a yearly basis and .25-20 dies will resize it with few losses. After reforming, I trim mine to square up the case mouths and reload normally. Here's how I do it:


Forming 25-20 from 32-20 brass
1. Round case mouth, chamfer & then anneal.
2. Lightly lube with Imperial Sizing Wax.
4. Use 25-20 Seating Die to set shoulder back.
5. Degrease then use graphite inside neck: 25-20 Sizing die w/o decapper to final form case.
6. Re-anneal, square mouth & chamfer etc.
7. Re-anneal after 5 reloads.

Bullets: Lyman's 257420 GC sized 0.258" cast from wheel weights (about 75 gr.) will withstand muzzle velocities up to 1600 fps in my gun.. RCBS' 25 cal. plain base cast bullet at ~95 gr's is good for lower velocity loads. In jacketed bullets, the old Remington 86 gr FN soft point is good for ~ 2" at 50 yds in my gun. Speer's 75 gr FP and Hornady's 60 gr FP at so-so in my gun, but Marlin users report good luck with them...difficult to find though.

Powder: For ~1000 fps, Win 231 does well. At higher velocities, 4227, SR4759 and 2400 do well especially with cast bullets. I've not used Herco or Unique with my gun, having found good accuracy with the preceding.

The .25-20 is a good cartridge for woodchuck sized critters and can be loaded down with cast bullets to mimic .22 LR or Magnum. And at velocities from 1100 to 1600 fps, it's a great walking about, wood's loafer's gun. My M-65 Winchester will keep most decent loads in ~1" at 50 yds with a Marbles Tang Peep mounted.

It's a round that's a throw back to earlier times, before the bottle neck, high velocity varmint cartridges began to dominate. In a lever gun with a good barrel, the .22 Hornet, .25-20 & .32-20 guns can be very useful and with a much quieter report. Scoped in the case of the Marlins, or peep sighted on Winchester & early Marlin lever guns or one of the pumps, the .25-20 is a lot of fun.

Best regards, Rod
 
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The brass is unobtanium right now. I've had a backorder with Starline since February of 2021.
I don't see why the 25-20 with 90 grain cast bullets at subsonic velocities would hurt a .25 Salamander in a .25-20 Remington pump ? Or same with a subsonic same bullet load in .256 Marlin 56 lever gun ? 3 grains of Trailboss fills about half the case and give 1050 FPS out of the Remington 25 25-20 barrel .
 
The brass is unobtanium right now. I've had a backorder with Starline since February of 2021.
I guess they have a full run sold then because they aren't even taking backorders. Maybe I should have bought that factory ammo at the shoot last week. Was plenty cheap enough at 20 bucks a box of 50. I just don't shoot smokeless much in 32-20 and have boat loads of brass because I stocked up last times it was available.
 
I don't see why the 25-20 with 90 grain cast bullets at subsonic velocities would hurt a .25 Salamander in a .25-20 Remington pump ? Or same with a subsonic same bullet load in .256 Marlin 56 lever gun ? 3 grains of Trailboss fills about half the case and give 1050 FPS out of the Remington 25 25-20 barrel .

Sub loads would be fine.

I've done back to back mag dumps with the 10" CMR30 SBR through Salamander. I just won't rate it for 5.7x28 or other high velocity centerfires.
 
Could we possibly get back to the original question? What would it take to convert a '92 Win 25-20 to .256 WM???

Pretty well covered. Yes, it can be done, but there are potential issues with action strength on some guns, magazine tube diameter being able to accommodate a 1/32" larger case rim, elevator operation with the fatter and shorter round, and free bore from the shorter case if you plan to rechamber a .25-20 barrel rather than replace.

In other words, bet on it being a substantial endeavor, and quite expensive if you're not able to do it yourself. It's gonna be a lot more involved than just reaming a chamber, would probably be cheaper and easier to do a new GMRB .25 cal barrel chambered and profiled for a .357 lever gun.
 
Could we possibly get back to the original question? What would it take to convert a '92 Win 25-20 to .256 WM???

OK, it's been answered but we'll sum it up.

First, what will it take? It would take an amount of money that would just buy a crap load of 32-20 brass and not have to worry about the action of the rifle.

Second, by the time you wait months on a reputable gunsmith to do it Starline is apt to make another run of 32-20 brass and you might have got to shoot it just as soon anyway. Meanwhile I'd just shoot other guns until ammo or brass showed up for that one.

Third, depending on condition of the rifle you are going to kill the value of it.

And Forth, if you are so desperate to shoot that particular rifle to spend a bunch of money to rebarrel it, what are you willing to give for some 32-20 Starline brass?:D
 
I have a possible solution for the OP. Instead of using the larger rimmed 357 mag case, consider a rimless version using .223 cases trimmed. When trimmed to 357 mag length (taking into consideration the different rim lengths), a 223 case will be nicely formed in a 256 WM sizing die. The 223 case does have a .030 smaller rim than the 25-20.

223 next to 256 WM rimless.
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