270 win 130 sst loads

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Picked up a box of sst's for $25 and will load a few for my pre -64 m70 if I feel like taking a classic out hunting. I know 4831 is a classic load, I have a little h4831sc only enough for 25-30 rounds. I've got a pound of imr 4895, some blc(2) and some others that would probably work.

I'm thinking keeping these at about 2800-2850 to keep from to much meat damage, not sure was brass I've got think there's some fd or win. I should really order 50 Peterson's or something since I won't shoot this to much.

So what's your load for the 270win and a 130 sst.
 
In my experience, the Hornady SST is an inherently accurate bullet.

And a very “soft” one.

even at 7-08 velocity, it’s like a lil grenade.

She’s killed several antelope and a mule deer with it. They all died quickly. But meat loss was an issue in her 7-08.

personally, I’m a fan of penetration. Using Nosler as an example, I’d take a Accubond, all day, everyday over a Ballistic Tip.

The Hornady SST is equal to the Nosler Ballistic Tip, in my humble opinion.

Both are extremely accurate, neither hold together well.
 
In my experience, the Hornady SST is an inherently accurate bullet.

And a very “soft” one.

even at 7-08 velocity, it’s like a lil grenade.

She’s killed several antelope and a mule deer with it. They all died quickly. But meat loss was an issue in her 7-08.

personally, I’m a fan of penetration. Using Nosler as an example, I’d take a Accubond, all day, everyday over a Ballistic Tip.

The Hornady SST is equal to the Nosler Ballistic Tip, in my humble opinion.

Both are extremely accurate, neither hold together well.
Ya same I'd rather a bullet punch thru then blow up, I've shot a few deer with the sst and pretty much jellied them from neck to the ribs. I don't shoot much 270 so I'll use these, under 2800 they may hold together better.
 
Ive never run anything slower than 4350 for the .270, but Nosler list 42-46 for the ballistic tip. I doubt the sst would be much different.

Ive run the 139s out of my 7mags as fast as 3200, never really had an issue with meat damage, but I generally stayed out of the shoulder......course shooting 2-3 deer a week is a lot different than just a couple a year.
 
Ive never run anything slower than 4350 for the .270, but Nosler list 42-46 for the ballistic tip. I doubt the sst would be much different.

Ive run the 139s out of my 7mags as fast as 3200, never really had an issue with meat damage, but I generally stayed out of the shoulder......course shooting 2-3 deer a week is a lot different than just a couple a year.
I probably should just shoot for the lungs with these, but some property's it's smart to shoulder shoot to drop them in place. Think 270 maybe the only sst I've shot deer with and they were like varmint bullets. Wonder if there's a way to tell if these are the newer ones that they say are tuffer. These don't have the heat shield tip, not sure if new sst use them or not.
 
I’ve loaded 140 gr SSTs. And 56.5 gr of H4831 was the ticket in a savage 110(not my rifle). Dad took a deer with it this past season and not at all an excessive amount of damage. Exit was probably an inch and excellent blood trail.
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Fwiw, Hornady has a really good list of powders for the 130s.
 
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This is a load that functioned perfectly well in a FN Mauser Deluxe

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However I had my M70 rebarreled with a "match" barrel and the barrel and throat were tight. So this load blew primers and etched the bolt face.

So, I cut the load dramatically. Used Fed Fusion pulled, my velocities were still smoking hot,

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Now I believe those bullets in the nine ring were tumbling. After shooting enough flat base and boat tailed bullets, I was gobsmacked to see tumbling. No one talks about tumbling in the in print press. All bullets are stable out to thousands and thousands of yards, right? Not so. The only way to determine whether the bullet is stable at the subsonic transition is to shoot them. One should not trust claimed ballistic coefficients, and extreme adulation by in print influencers. Almost all bullets are stable out to 300 yards, and that has to be because the bullet compaines own 300 yard test ranges. Past that, they don't test. They just make claims

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A bud of mine went to SST's in the 308 Win after he saw tumbling at the CMP Talladega range. But, just because 308 SST's were not tumbling, that does not mean 277 will not.

Whatever load you use, the barrel will make a huge difference. Winchester barrels were production barrels and none of the factory Winchester chambers I have were cut with short throats. Winchester sold their rifles to owners who purchased their factory ammunition at the country store and went hunting.
 
Picked up a box of sst's for $25 and will load a few for my pre -64 m70 if I feel like taking a classic out hunting. I know 4831 is a classic load, I have a little h4831sc only enough for 25-30 rounds. I've got a pound of imr 4895, some blc(2) and some others that would probably work.

I'm thinking keeping these at about 2800-2850 to keep from to much meat damage, not sure was brass I've got think there's some fd or win. I should really order 50 Peterson's or something since I won't shoot this to much.
So what's your load for the 270win and a 130 sst.

I haven’t loaded the SST in .270 Win, but I used a Hornady 130 gr Interlock back in November. Loaded with 56.0 gr of Alliant Power Pro 4000-MR in a Federal case with Federal 210 primer. It worked okay on a good sized Montana Mule Deer. (The load chronographed around 2900 fps out of a 22” barrel Marlin XL-7 bolt gun.)
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Previously, I had used 130 gr Nosler Ballistic Tips in both the.270 Win and WSM, and never had a problem with them. Never recovered one, but they have become pretty expensive and I got a great deal on the Interlocks, so I thought I would give them a try. I have read of a lot of people having issues with the SST bullets being too soft, I believe the Nosler’s solid base design of their Ballistic Tips helps penetration. If I go after deer in Montana again, I will probably go back to the Noslers, either the Accubond or the Ballistic Tip.
 
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I looked over my 270 Win data and I do have a good number of chronograph tests with IMR 4350 and AA4350 with 130 grain bullets. I don't remember why I picked 55 grains with a 130 grain bullet but I did. I am of the opinion that pushing a 130 grain bullet with any of the 4350's, at or close to 2950 fps is a maximum load. I cannot push a bullet as fast with IMR 4350 as I can with IMR 4831.

Notice the lot differences between a 1960's lot of IMR 4350 and a 1995 Accurate Arms Aa4350. Accurate Arms told me they blended their 4350 to the IMR pressure curve. Plus or minus.

FN Deluxe 24" Barrel installed new Wolff 22 pound mainspring

130 gr Federal Fusion (pulled) 55.0 grs IMR4350 wtd lot RBS (60's) mixed cases Fed 210S OAL 3.225"
8 Feb 2012 T = 50 °F

Ave Vel = 2942
Std Dev = 5
ES = 10
High = 2948
Low = 2938
Number rounds = 5

130 gr Federal Fusion (pulled) 55.0 grs IMR4350 wtd lot RBS (60's) mixed cases Fed 210S OAL 3.225"
14 Mar 2012 T = 80 °F

Ave Vel = 2952
Std Dev = 53
ES = 119
High = 2999
Low = 2880
N = 6

Here, AA4350 is OK at 50 F weather.

130 gr Nosler 55.0 grs AA 4350 wtd lot 9-1995 Rem cases WLR OAL 3.250"
8 Feb 2012 T = 50 °F

Ave Vel = 2961
Std Dev = 6
ES = 16
High = 2967
Low = 2951
N = 5

But when temperatures are 90's, that bullet is moving too fast for my comfort. I am sure pressures are over max due to shiny rub spots on the bases.

130 gr Fed Fusion Pulled 55.0 grs AA 4350 wtd lot 9-1995 FC cases, Fed210S OAL 3.250"
2 Sept 2014 T = 93 °F

Ave Vel = 3031
Std Dev = 15
ES = 40
High = 3053
Low = 3013
N = 5

probably over pressure: shiny rub marks on case heads, rounded primers.

A totally different barrel and yet I am getting 3100 fps in 55 degree weather. I don't remember shooting that load in 90 F weather in this rifle, but I am confident I would have been blowing primers.

M1917 Joe Pfeifer barrel Joe Donahue's rifle
Pfeifer Rifle Company Roscoe California

130 gr Nosler 55.0 grs AA 4350 wtd lot 9-1995 Rem cases WLR OAL 3.250"
19 Dec 2013 T ≈ 55 °F

Ave Vel = 3121
Std Dev = 30
ES = 104
High = 3192
Low = 3088
N = 15

This will not make we well loved by fans of the 270 Win, but you can't push bullets as fast in the 270 Win as you can in the 30-06. It is rather easy to push 130's to 3000 fps in a 30-06. I don't know if I have any 308 130's left anymore, and I don't know if they tumble somewhere between 300 and 600 yards. I remember reading pages on pages of material about how 130's in the 30-06 are inferior to 130's in the 270 Win because of the ballistic coefficient and lack of bullet drop, but this was all written by Lotus Eaters who never actually shot those bullets at distance to see how they expanded, or, if they tumbled. And the inch or two difference trajectory drop, at distance, is relatively insignificant when the shooter can't hit an eight foot by eight foot target at that distance. To hit at extreme ranges you really need to have an established zero, gained by shooting groups at that distance. And having sighters helps, as the wind always pushes bullets in unpredictable directions.

Gonna tell you, the difference between the men and the boys in long range competition is wind reading. Everyone has the same over priced equipment, everyone is shooting at the same time, all are hard holders. Its when you hear the groans coming down the line, that's when you know the wind has shifted and there are multiple train wrecks on the firing line. Even the best will get caught up in pick ups and let ups. After the relay, you will hear it later: "did you catch the pick up?"

And I am such a poor wind reader, the only thing I can think of is "what pickup?"

They used to run them hotter back in the day

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In my experience, the Hornady SST is an inherently accurate bullet.

And a very “soft” one.

even at 7-08 velocity, it’s like a lil grenade.

She’s killed several antelope and a mule deer with it. They all died quickly. But meat loss was an issue in her 7-08.

personally, I’m a fan of penetration. Using Nosler as an example, I’d take a Accubond, all day, everyday over a Ballistic Tip.

The Hornady SST is equal to the Nosler Ballistic Tip, in my humble opinion.

Both are extremely accurate, neither hold together well.

My experience as well.
 
I ended going to the Speer Grand Slams and never looked back. They seem to hold together better. I just looked and I have 5 boxes of the 130's on my shelf. Probably a lifetime supply.:thumbup:
I thought that when i scored 4-500 162Amax a couple years ago....i have 24 left lol.
Course I only shoot one bullet per cal when i can get away with it.
 
I only got one 270 so not much to load it I do shoot it more I'll probably get some speer hotcors, like to try some 150s but read some winchesters don't like 150s so I'll probably stick to 130s. The gun is a nice period piece from the 50s what guys would have used. The weaver on it is a 3-5 power with the German post reticle so not best for shooting groups. I'd like to test out the side mount more to check it's zero better, it tips up and I'd wish it was a little more secure.


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What's the word on the best 270 brass made, I've got some once fired from loonwulf but starting fresh maybe nice. Have to find where I put the brass lol, can't remember what all I got. Think I'll see about some Pederson or some noslors.
Nosler has been consistent and usually has the highest capacity of any of the brass I have (in other cartridges) I believe its made by Norma.
Ive got Peterson in 2 cals. In both cases its a little low on capacity but tough as nails. I can run 2gr more powder with no pressure signs in the Peterson 28Nos as opposed to Nosler brass.
Hornady has ben "meh" of late, but i use alot of it.
Federal is pretty consistent, but its soft and low capacity.
My Win, and Rem is all old, and I havent gotten hands on any of the "nicer" brass lately.
 
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Nosler has been consistent and usually has the highest capacity of any of the brass I have (in other cartridges) I believe its made by Norma.
Ive got Peterson in 2 cals. In both cases its a little low on capacity but tough as nails. I can run 2gr more powder with no pressure signs in the Peterson 28Nos as opposed to Nosler brass.
Hornady has ben "meh" of late, but i use alot of it.
Federal is pretty consistent, but its soft and low capacity.
My Win, and Rem is all old, and I havent gotten hands on any of the "nicer" brass lately.
I don't mind less capacity for this gun it's over 70 years old and I don't need to hot rod it. Think I'll try some Pederson tho never used there's and don't they come in a box. There is usually some blems at sps tho so have to look at the price. I'll just use the fired brass I've got now been broke waiting to start firewood.
 
I don't mind less capacity for this gun it's over 70 years old and I don't need to hot rod it. Think I'll try some Pederson tho never used there's and don't they come in a box. There is usually some blems at sps tho so have to look at the price. I'll just use the fired brass I've got now been broke waiting to start firewood.
They do, basic MTM case, but its a nice touch....for 150 bucks/50.
 
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