30-06 military ball load data

[Catpop]

I have searched some of the past threads and learned that a 150 gr spire point over 46.0 gr H4895 is a good safe operating rod load for the garand. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I think 2700 fps was the mv.
Two Questions:
1. Would you call this a very close duplication of the ww2 era 30-06 ball round that was used in both the 1903 bolt and garand semi? I assume there was only one ball round used in both rifles.
2. The oal seems to elude me in what I've read and not having an original ww2 round to measure, what is the oal of the gov. round?
As always, thanks for all you help.

 

[joem1945]

The military used a 150 gr flat based bullet. They also used 174 gr black tip AP. I have some WWII AP in spam cans but I'm not going to open them. Most military rifles have generous chambers. I reload and use 4895 only in any .30-06 rounds,

 

[rg1]

Overall length of the 30-06 ball military round is 3.340" maximum but that is only for the M2 150 FMJ-FB bullets and other military bullets. Some military loads are right at 3.340" and some you will find 10-30 thousandths shorter. I load pulled surplus 150 gr. M2 bullets at around 3.320". For commercial 150 grain bullets use whatever length the reloading manual gives for Garands or other 30-06 rifles. For instance the overall length for Hornady 150 FMJ bullets in 30-06 in the Garand section of Hornady's 9th Manual is 3.185". For Spire Points or other bullets use the overall length listed. They will feed through your Garand. The difference is the length of the bullets and the long sharp nose of some bullets like the military 150 FMJ-FB. You have to keep enough of the bullet inside the case neck and seating commercial bullets out to the maximum length of 3.340" and you have very little bullet inside the neck. Your 46 grain charge of H 4895 while not maximum is near maximum for a Garand and should get 2600 fps and maybe close to 2700. That's not quite up to military speed but should be a good accurate safe load. Soldiers shoot a round with a new case and cases get left on the field and not reloaded.

 

[rg1]

You can Google:
[PDF]TM 43-0001-27 TECHNICAL MANUAL ARMY Small Arms Ammunition Data Sheets and open the pdf file and it has specs and lengths for most all small arms ammunition but don't use their load data. Their load levels are too high for reloading and they used bulk powders probably not the same as your lot of commercial powder. For info only and not to be used for load data!

 

[captmoto]

All good info here.
http://masterpostemple.bravepages.com/3006Mil.htm

 

[YankeeFlyr]

When I got my 1944 Garand in 2009, I worked up a starting load from 44 .0 grains.

I wound up with 48.5 grains of IMR 4895 in a Winchester commercial case, lit by a CCI number 34 primer. The cases are trimmed to 2.484 inches. The bullet is a Hornady SST in 150 grains. Seating depth was determined by the position of the cannelure, which I use for a light taper crimp.

I get just about exactly the published military specs on the chrony.

As I recall, the COAL is about 3.2 inches or so; I don't have one in front of me right now.