30-06 Muzzle brake

[dubbleA]

If the noise level's of guns with muzzle brakes hurts your sensitive little ears,then all you babies complaining about them need to find a new hobby.

Note-Shooting firearms is loud whether with or without a muzzle brake,wear hearing protection.

I don't think anyone ever puts a muzzle brake on their gun just so they can piss people like you off at the range.

I'm sorry about the rant,but everytime someone ask about putting muzzle brakes on their rifles these guy's have to come out with all the negative comments and personal opinions that other members get tired of reading.

Until you start buying my guns and ammo,don't tell me what to do or not to do to them.

+ 1000 Amen brother, seems that there are some that just want to whine and complain:banghead:

 

[Maverick223]

If the noise level's of guns with muzzle brakes hurts your sensitive little ears,then all you babies complaining about them need to find a new hobby.

If the recoil of guns with a little energy hurts your sensitive whittle shoulders, then all you cupcakes complaining need to find a new hobby.

^Fixed it for you.

 

[Uncle Mike]

You guys play nice now!

 

[Maverick223]

You guys play nice now!

...but, but, but...he started it.

 

[ms6852]

I have a savage 110 in 30-06 and had the gunsmith put in a Vais muzzle break after I dislocated my shoulder before deer season. Shoots like a .223 but sounds like a howitzer. Ensure you pay for a tread protector that way you can take off the break when you go to the range, it helps by not setting off the car alarms every time you fire a round.

 

[R.W.Dale]

my biggest beef with a muzzle brake is the wanton butchering of the English language that results anytime their use is debated

A BRAKE is a device used for the arresting of motion

A BREAK is something you take in order to eat lunch


LEARN IT PEOPLE!


I've never kept a gun with a brake much more than a couple weeks. Even wearing hearing protection the deflected blast from our awnings at the range is enough to make my sinuses hurt.

The last ported rifle I had got a grand total of 4 rounds put through it before I sent it down the road

 

[elmerfudd]

To me a muzzle brake is only really desirable on a military rifle or an absolute bruiser that needs something to tame the recoil.

Most of the time I find muzzle blast to be more unpleasant than recoil. I had the opportunity a couple years ago to fire a Barrett M99 thanks to the generosity of a forum member here. The recoil wasn't any worse than a 12 gauge, but the concussion made it feel like you had been whopped upside the head with a 2x4. You felt it in your eye sockets, your teeth and your sinuses. I would have gladly endured far more recoil if it would have reduced the concussion.

You obviously don't have that situation with a 30-06, but a brake still markedly increases the blast.

 

[Mr_Pale_Horse]

Worst case example: Shooting my flintlock next to a guy with a 50 BMG with a brake. I prime the pan, he shoots, my priming it gone, along with my patches, range rod, targets, paper towels, basically anything not metal on my shooting bench.

A BREAK is something you take in order to eat lunch

If you can install that on a gun, I'll take one

 

[X-Rap]

Wow this topic really does bring out the Wennies or is it Winies. Sore shoulders or sore ears, torn targets, I think Brakes have been known to tear the very skin from puppies and kittens.
I posted on their use for three 11&12 yr old kids, a older woman of small stature, a 70+ yo man and a rifle that without one would probably be unmanageable. What I read is comments from a bunch of drama queens that claim they get their sinuses blown out, benches cleared, laws broken and the sounds of artillery. Next there will be claims of mental anguish.
Guns have recoil, guns make noise. Those are some of the things that make me shoot. Maybe that is the appeal of the video games to some, no recoil and a volume control.
Grow up and try some constructive commentary.

 

[Uncle Mike]

Ensure you pay for a tread protector that way you can take off the break when you go to the range, it helps by not setting off the car alarms every time you fire a round.

But, often the POI will change, so.....?

Worst case example: Shooting my flintlock next to a guy with a 50 BMG with a brake. I prime the pan, he shoots, my priming it gone, along with my patches, range rod, targets, paper towels, basically anything not metal on my shooting bench.

Hehehehe....

I think Brakes have been known to tear the very skin from puppies and kittens.

Oh...it is just horrible! Knock the feathers off a penguin, they will!

A BRAKE is a device used for the arresting of motion
A BREAK is something you take in order to eat lunch
LEARN IT PEOPLE!

It's going to come down to passing a literacy test and obtaining a 'Internet forum posting license'! lol hehehe

 

[Mr_Pale_Horse]

Using a muzzle break at a crowded public range is like cars with high wattage subwoofer sound systems, loud tuned exhaust systems, or diesel pickups with tricked fuel pump settings and stove pipes exhaust or stacks.

I once thought they were cool, might even have wanted one (when I was twelve). Now they seem an expensive waste (if I'm paying) and rude bordering on boorish.

 

[X-Rap]

I feel sorry for you crowded public range guys. My bench belongs to me so I don't worry about offending and you won't have to have one of my rude and boorish children or retired 2nd grade teacher step mom offending all you big strong gun guys out there.

 

[R.W.Dale]

I feel sorry for you crowded public range guys. My bench belongs to me so I don't worry about offending and you won't have to have one of my rude and boorish children or retired 2nd grade teacher step mom offending all you big strong gun guys out there.

What's with the attitude?

here's something to ponder. When your kids are 30 and can't hear anything they'll have nobody to blame but daddy and his fetish for braked guns. I'll not let my children be around much less shoot a braked centerfire rifle. Heck just give em a pack of marlboros while your at it since long term injury seems to be your goal

Now's where you tell us that you never notice the noise shooting at game in the field....as it the harm still doesn't occur


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And yes, there is some Disadvantage to muzzle brakes. The increase of muzzle blast is substantial. They can be VERY LOUD and damaging to the ears! The risks can be diminished hearing with some permanent hearing damage. Regular earmuffs can reduce noise levels by 25dB +/- while the sound levels of a muzzle brake magnum can be as high as 128dB +/-
meaning noise levels with earmuffs on are in excess of 100dB !! A hunter in the field shooting without protection, will experience immediate, and near complete temporary hearing loss. Hearing returns after three or four minutes, but a small portion of hearing is permanently lost each time a shot is fired.

At Rifle-Accuracy-Reports, we recommend that all long-range shooters wear earplugs and earmuffs, or even better, wear the high quality Electronic Hearing Protective Muffs. This combination will reduce about 52dB of damaging noise. That would bring levels down to 76 - 80dB!! And always instruct people around you, (such as guides or hunting partners) to cover their ears or put plugs in before you shoot. Always pack extra ear plugs. The moldable putty type ear plugs would be good to wear and would make a great gift for the guide.
Top-of-the-line hearing protection comes from companies such as Walkers Game Ear, E.A.R. Inc., Silencio, Radians, Pro Ears, and Cabelas.

http://www.rifle-accuracy-reports.com/MuzzleBrakes.html

 

[Fremmer]

I've shot a .270 with a magna-port installed on the barrel, and it worked pretty well. IIRC, I would estimate that recoil was reduced about 20 or 25%. Magna-port has a good reputation. I'd go with that. It was loud, though. And hearing damage is a real issue. And increased retort can also make you flinch!

I would respectfully state that you might first consider using reduced recoil commercial rounds, or hand-load your own reduced recoil rounds. Add a good recoil pad, too.

If that doesn't work, I would consider going to a softer shootin' round. Perhaps a .25-06.

Good luck, and let us know what you decide!

 

[Uncle Mike]

I shot that 300 of mine with the KDF on it without any ear protection once....once!

was hunting...I know for a fact, if a feller was to shoot that cannon, or any other rifle with a brake, I suppose, with out hearing protection too many times, permanent hearing damage would result!

 

[X-Rap]

What's with the attitude?

here's something to ponder. When your kids are 30 and can't hear anything they'll have nobody to blame but daddy and his fetish for braked guns. I'll not let my children be around much less shoot a braked centerfire rifle. Heck just give em a pack of marlboros while your at it since long term injury seems to be your goal

Now's where you tell us that you never notice the noise shooting at game in the field....as it the harm still doesn't occur

Attitude! Now that's funny, take a look back to the OP and then ask yourself that question again.
The guy wanted advise and what he got mostly was BS about how he would or should be treated like some leper and false impressions about where and when he could use one.
Then the grammar Nazis showed when they had nothing else to contribute. Now the bad daddy and db charts are coming out. This one is definitely on the low road and can't last much longer I just hope the OP can glean a little info from it, I'm sure he learned a little about some of us.

 

[R.W.Dale]

I'm still waiting for a comment on the hearing damage aspect. Which is a thread full of opinions yours and mine included is one of the very few facts set fourth


it's not like you've added anything beyond

"I shoot brakes and you're a sissy if you're concerned bout your and the hearing of folk's around nearby"


TO the OP: DON'T

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=214115&highlight=brake+vanguard

I've been in the exact situation and every gun I've had a brake installed on I came to despise after a very brief love afair

 

[kestak]

Greetings,

ok ok ok.. I won't install a brake or break or thingy at the end of my gun!
I won't look for it either and destroy all the bookmarks related to it in my IE.

Just to fighting!!!!! I can't take it anymore!!!!

Thank you
P.S.: I am looking at the VAIS or JTAC one now. I have a JTAC on my AK and it works great.

 

[Mr_Pale_Horse]

To the OP and X-Rap,

Sorry to come off flippant before. In all seriousness, in my opinion based on first hand experience and numerous objective reports with respect to noise levels, muzzle brakes are dangerous (and expensive) addons and I recommend against them.

 

[Uncle Mike]

I am looking at the VAIS or JTAC one now.

Are you thinking of putting a JTAC brake on a bolt action 30-06?

 

[X-Rap]

Hunting without ear protection will damage hearing, that is a fact. I don't hunt water fowl and shoot hundreds of rounds in a blind. During BG season I do my best to limit shots to the one that is needed. I always use hearing protection at the range and shooting prairie dogs and the like. I don't find it acceptable to wear muffs or plugs while hunting in my environment so yes I do subject myself to a limited amount of unprotected gunfire. I know of no one who wears hearing protection while hunting big game so I hardly feel out of place.
Your db info is based on noise reduction but doesn't reflect the variation of different calibers and brake styles which does make a difference in the end.
As far as my input relating to the OP, I think I have given him some info that at least can help him make a decision not based on some irrational notion that his internals will turn to mush and his wife will leave him for a more traditional man. (my turn for drama)

 

[kestak]

Greetings,

Yes, I am thinking about it. It is a 30 caliber and it works great on my AK. Is there a problem that I am not aware?

Thank you

 

[elmerfudd]

Hunting without ear protection will damage hearing, that is a fact.

Exactly, and the more noise a rifle makes the more your hearing will be damaged. Brakes result in a noisier environment for the shooter. Now if you're shooting a .50 BMG then you need something to reduce the recoil, but for a 30-06? I was shooting one two days after shoulder surgery and it didn't bother me.

 

[X-Rap]

Well elmer if you look at the context of my comment for the lighter calibers it reflects it shows I am referring to those of smaller stature than grown men.
As krocus has noted I'm a bad father but I feed my kids fried food too.
My reason for getting my kids on a larger gun than a 243 or similar is simple. We live where you can hunt deer and elk and there are pretty good opportunities for kids in late season for elk. Contrary to what many say I don't consider many calibers under 280 to be effective for elk so all my kids started on bigger guns with brakes.
This allowed them use bigger guns and spend more time on the range and made them better shots. This has worked for me and I will do it for my grand children.
FWIW my daughter shot her first elk at 12 yrs. and weighed less than 100# with a 280 at around 100yds prone in the snow. She is not deaf and has shot many BG animals in the subsequent yrs. with the same rifle.

 

[Fremmer]

Are you thinking of putting a JTAC brake on a bolt action 30-06?

Could someone who knows about the JTAC brake please comment about putting it onto a bolt action .30-06? :banghead: