According to what they posted on different forums "the others" were specifically saying 160 ftx bullets. Hornady only makes the ftx in 160 according to their site for 308 diameter. I mean I guess they could have been mistyping so to speak. I just thought it odd that hodgdon lists max loads for the 160 (31.5 grains) were lower than 170 (32.5 grains) loads. I know there are differences in bullet bearing surfaces, bullet length etc, but some of the posted loads were around 33 grains for the 160 which was well above the hodgdon max. That's why I was wondering if Hornady had different load data. And besides I trust the people here more than on some of the other sites.