30 rd mags in IL

[milemaker13]

I can't tell what the story is on mags in IL... ok, so we've got to disclose the guns, and it talks about mags, says they don't need a disclosure, we can keep our big mags...

Is there a new rule on high capacity magazines to be aware of?

 

[PapaG]

I think they are included but am not inclined to read through that onerous list again at this time. The 25 rounders I used to have for my 10-22s have found new homes.

 

[milemaker13]

On isp website, FAQ about PICA.... one Q asks if large cap ammo feeding devices need a disclosure. Answer: no, it only pertains to firearms.
Q- can IL residents keep LCAFD they already own. A- Yes, just be sure to use them at an approved location(range)

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Assault Weapons

I have spent some time reviewing this FAQ...hope ya'll enjoy it too!

 

[JTHunter]

Assault Weapons

I have spent some time reviewing this FAQ...hope ya'll enjoy it too!

Yeah, if you like "word salad". (barf)

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Yeah, if you like "word salad". Some of the FAQ had me going "Huh?" --- When the answer didn't connect to the question in any logical or meaningful way...scary stuff apart from the obvious RTKBA concerns.

 

[milemaker13]

Does anybody have an answer to my question? I even emailed ISP, but their automated reply suggests I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for a reply. Makes sense. Why make it easy to get the correct, official information in plain language.

 

[reddog81]

How does post number 3 not answer the question?


Question # 36 from link in post #4
Do I need to complete an endorsement affidavit if I posses a LCAFD?
No. The endorsement affidavit only applies to assault weapons, assault weapon attachments, .50 caliber rifles, or .50 BMG caliber cartridge devices.

Question #71
Can IL residents keep the LCAFD they currently own.
Yes. If, they legally owned it prior to January 11, 2023, and abide by the limitations within the Act as to where it may be possessed. See 720 ILCS 5/24-1.9(d).

The header mentions magazines but the details seem to indicate that registration is not necessary.

 

[CZ-75BD]

What about ammo?

 

[CapnMac]

assault weapon attachments

Some of which, I'm given to understand, are LCAFD, not that I can find that written out in the currently published Code.

Which seems to rely on firearms being immutable, unchanging things.
So, a 5 round 870 mag extension tube, appears to be a benign LCAFD. Unless it's assembled on an 870, where it may be an AW accessory, but only after assembly.

The poor crafting of this law is both boon and bane. It's obvious failings may make it easier to overturn, once the wheels of the courts finally advance. It's a bane, as "we" do not need the "antis" to be any smarter about how to craft these despicable ordinances.

 

[PapaG]

Some of which, I'm given to understand, are LCAFD, not that I can find that written out in the currently published Code.

Which seems to rely on firearms being immutable, unchanging things.
So, a 5 round 870 mag extension tube, appears to be a benign LCAFD. Unless it's assembled on an 870, where it may be an AW accessory, but only after assembly.

The poor crafting of this law is both boon and bane. It's obvious failings may make it easier to overturn, once the wheels of the courts finally advance. It's a bane, as "we" do not need the "antis" to be any smarter about how to craft these despicable ordinances.

I thought that pump, lever and bolt action guns were exempt.

 

[reddog81]

Which seems to rely on firearms being immutable, unchanging things.

That's the problem with trying to regulate pieces of steel and polymers. They can be used in a a variety of ways and take a variety of shapes. Ban one thing and another takes it's place. The only logical answer for them is to regulate all semi-auto out of existence and this rule makes a decent attempt at that but tries to make it look like they are only going after "Assault Weapons"...

Either way traditional magazines do appear to not be assault weapon attachments which appears to be the original question posed.


FAQ Question 16:
"Assault weapon attachments do not include integral parts, components of an assault weapon, or other items not specifically designed for a firearm, for example items specifically designed for an airsoft gun. Rather they are supplementary items that can be attached to assault weapons."

Magazines are integral parts / components of an assault weapon and they are specifically designed for a firearm. Magazines are not supplementary items, they are necessary for function. A magazine is the opposite of a assault weapon attachment. The definition of "assault weapon" includes the word magazine numerous times because they are an integral component of an assault weapon.

 

[CapnMac]

I thought that pump, lever and bolt action guns were exempt.

Ok, I missed that part. That legislation is not polite to read.

 

[ilbob]

So, a 5 round 870 mag extension tube, appears to be a benign LCAFD. Unless it's assembled on an 870, where it may be an AW accessory, but only after assembly.

Does not need to be assembled to a firearm according to their FAQ.

 

[ilbob]

I can't tell what the story is on mags in IL... ok, so we've got to disclose the guns, and it talks about mags, says they don't need a disclosure, we can keep our big mags...

Is there a new rule on high capacity magazines to be aware of?

Any pistol mags over 15 rounds or rifle mags over 10 rounds are banned unless you owned them prior to the date they were banned which I think was in Jan 2023. If you had them then you can keep them. No registration required.

 

[HankB]

Any pistol mags over 15 rounds or rifle mags over 10 rounds are banned unless you owned them prior to the date they were banned which I think was in Jan 2023. If you had them then you can keep them. No registration required.

After the Clinton gun ban, SOME magazines began to be manufactured with dates stamped into the body. MOST magazines are not dated, so unless it's a unique magazine of a design or from a manufacturer that wasn't introduced until Jan 2023 or carries a post-Jan'23 date, exactly how will enforcement take place? They must have SOME sort of idea in place . . .

 

[ilbob]

After the Clinton gun ban, SOME magazines began to be manufactured with dates stamped into the body. MOST magazines are not dated, so unless it's a unique magazine of a design or from a manufacturer that wasn't introduced until Jan 2023 or carries a post-Jan'23 date, exactly how will enforcement take place? They must have SOME sort of idea in place . . .

There are only a few counties in illinois where there is likely to be even any attempt at enforcement, so my guess is there was not much thought about how it would be enforced, just to get it passed for whatever political benefits they think that is worth.

I think they are more interested in finding people with so called assault weapons or assault weapon attachments that are not registered. It is pretty easy to prove something is not in the registry.

 

[PapaG]

Does not need to be assembled to a firearm according to their FAQ.

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Reading the ISP flowchart for shotguns the 870 is not an AW as it is not a semi automatic. Period. Regardless of intent, the chart is extremely helpful. Thanks to ISP for that, at least.

 

[ilbob]

Reading the ISP flowchart for shotguns the 870 is not an AW as it is not a semi automatic. Period. Regardless of intent, the chart is extremely helpful. Thanks to ISP for that, at least.

The problem is the shotgun itself is not an assault weapon but the attachment can still be an assault weapon attachment that does have to be registered. Maybe. It is a poorly crafted law. Like every firearms law in Illinois. It is very hard to tell what they mean.

 

[PapaG]

On an 1100

 

[JTHunter]

The problem is the shotgun itself is not an assault weapon but the attachment can still be an assault weapon attachment that does have to be registered. Maybe. It is a poorly crafted law. Like every firearms law in Illinois. It is very hard to tell what they mean.

From what I have read and seen elsewhere (IllinoisCarry.com), putting an extension tube, itself being a "registerable item", on a semiauto shotgun MAKES that shotgun into an "assault weapon" and therefore banned. The law says that any gun that can thus be "converted" is subject to the ban.
They also made no exception for rimfires so a Ruger 10/22 with aftermarket magazines over 15 rounds, and/or a flash hider, thumbhole stock, etc., also becomes an "assault weapon".

 

[ilbob]

I don't know if mere possession of 25 round magazines for a 10/22 makes it an assault weapon. As badly as the law is worded though, there is some chance it does.

However, the rules don't say that the mere existence of magazines that exceed the limit turns it into an assault weapon. The FAQ says somewhere that such magazines have to be in your possession.

However what the isp FAQ says is not law.

 

[PapaG]

Again, access the flow chart. And follow it.

 

[Beck]

I'm just moving out of Illinois to Indiana. That's my solution. Seriously, and 90% of the reason is Illinois criminalizing gun ownership. I've always been a responsible gun owner, and now Illinois is going to lose another of their responsible gun owners. Looking at Illinois' trending demographics, I'll no doubt be replaced by someone who shouldn't have guns at all.