Remington1911 said:The above poster nailed it far better then I ever could......but going to do it anyway.
One of the big draws to the AR platform is its modularity, change too much stuff and you loose that, and people will distance themselves from it. In just looking at the numbers it does a great many things that it takes several other flavors to do as well.....BUT so much is different.
That is why I think it did not stick.
I can’t seem to get the funds right or the justification but there is a Remington R30 that apparently has had a 223 barrel made for it for sale locally. They want $500 and it’s been listed for 2 months.
I don’t think anyone but I have given any interest and my interest only lies in its ability to be a 30 Rem AR which the owner apparently has the necessary components to bring it back to that.
It has non-special interest value as a complete lower but the upper is worthless as anything but a very heavy fixed 223 caliber upper or an obsolete 30 Rem AR.
Ammo availability is undoubtedly why the 223 conversion was done and it is also the reason I hesitate to get it.
Do Y'all think it likely someone will come out with a similar cartridge in the near future given how popular alternative AR cartridges as well as the AR in general are? I would certainly be interested.
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I should clarify: one that is SAAMI approved with strong support by both ammo and barrel mfgs. I'm not dissing those you listed. But there are a plethora of good wildcat designs that get minimal exposure and support. I am looking for something at least as supported as the newer offerings like the 350 Legend, 6mm ARC, etc. Even with a cartridge as good as the 6GT, I'm not sure it will ever be relevant outside its niche. I was simply thinking a redo by a heavyweight gun mfg might make the .308 Classic (forgive me) a well, classic (or at least a success this time around.)Someone already has. 30 WSSM from Olympic arms or Dtech. There is also 30 sabercat from Mad Dog Weapons Systems.
I should clarify: one that is SAAMI approved with strong support by both ammo and barrel mfgs. I'm not dissing those you listed. But there are a plethora of good wildcat designs that get minimal exposure and support. I am looking for something at least as supported as the newer offerings like the 350 Legend, 6mm ARC, etc. Even with a cartridge as good as the 6GT, I'm not sure it will ever be relevant outside its niche. I was simply thinking a redo by a heavyweight gun mfg might make the .308 Classic (forgive me) a well, classic (or at least a success this time around.)
Thanks for the recommendations. I have assembled some fairly lightweight AR308s in the cartridges you recommended, sans the .338 Fed, because even though it intrigues me it seems to be in a fast nose dive support-wise. Same with .358 Fed.Don't hold your breath, I haven't heard of anything on the horizon.
If the goal is just to get more power out of an AR15 form factor, there are two other options that qualify. The defunct DPMS G2 and POF Armory Revolution. Both are basically shrunken down AR10 that externally are the same size as an AR15, but internally use larger bolts and mag wells to be chambered in 308 win, 260 rem, and 6.5C. The DPMS was even available in 338 federal, and if I ever find one it will be mine.
I personally solved this dilemma with a 358 yeti from MDWS.
Don't hold your breath, I haven't heard of anything on the horizon.
If the goal is just to get more power out of an AR15 form factor, there are two other options that qualify. The defunct DPMS G2 and POF Armory Revolution. Both are basically shrunken down AR10 that externally are the same size as an AR15, but internally use larger bolts and mag wells to be chambered in 308 win, 260 rem, and 6.5C. The DPMS was even available in 338 federal, and if I ever find one it will be mine.
I personally solved this dilemma with a 358 yeti from MDWS.
Thanks for the recommendations. I have assembled quite a few .300 Blk ARs from 7.5" to 16", set up for sub and supersonic. Its a lot of fun suppressed and even though others do, I don't use it for hunting. I love plinking with it and have found it to be pretty easy to hit steel targets up to 400 yards. Past that I have better options.Assuming you want to stay with the aAr-15 platform, if you want 30 caliber on the platform then 300 AAC blackout is a good choice though a fair bit short of 30 RAR in ballistics but has the flexibility to do subsonic really well. If you don't care about subsonic and want the best performing 30 cal on an AR-15 platform the 300 Ham'r is a pretty good option. Closer to 30 RAR performance (but still short) but with very little proprietary parts other than barrel and magazine.
If you're not set on an AR-15 platform then there is a world of 30 caliber cartridges that will equal or better 30 RAR.
I have three 300 BO, I like the quiet. For varmints like armadillos it does just fine for me.I sold my 300 blackout. I like a little more power.....
Some cartridges through the years just didn’t catch. It’s typically because of advertising. If the manufacturers make a big deal, people jump on the bandwagon because people like shiny new things. And that’s cool. Good example is the 300 Whisper. It is the mirror image of the 300 AAC. But is was a dismal failure, while the Blackout is selling like hot cakes! Eh.. go fig.