It grouped really well...was shooting at roughly 200 yards and got all 10 within about 8 inches diameter. And the ammo was Federal Premium Vital-Shok, 300 Win Mag, 180 Grain Nosler Partition
.300 Win Ultra Mag question
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Frozen North
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Your rifle should be able to produce much tighter groups than that with the proper ammo. 8'' is mind blowing considering the situation though!!!
yeah i was standing and honestly wasnt being all that patient while shooting so it was more my fault i think. what do you all think about this managed recoil ammunition i found?
http://www.pistolandpawn.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=75881
is there any drawbacks with it?
ojibweindian
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What part of 'Bama are you from? And, did Larry's sell you the wrong ammo?
kingpin008
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Worry less about finding new ammo and more about getting your gun inspected for damage. You are lucky to have gotten away unscathed the first time - don't tempt fate by ignoring the problem.
yeah already have it scheduled to go in tomorrow...i got it from a little mom and pop place...i think the guy who sold me the stuff was a newbie at the store..and seeing as im a newbie at least to this gun, i could have used an experienced guy to help me out...will let you know if they find something!
OKcarburetor
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Everyone makes mistakes(even if this is a massive one), it's how they handle them that really matters. If it's a good shop they'll make it right.
oh i know...meant to clarify that im taking it to a different place thats actually closer to where i live anyways. I will be addressing the ammo issue with the original shop, though, just to make the owner aware of what happened
Gtscotty
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For future reference
If you ever have fired rounds that look totally and completely different from the unfired version.... in any firearm....you need to stop shooting, with a quickness.
On second thought, is this a joke or troll or something? Slight expansion is measured with calipers, there is nothing remotely slight about the round in your pictures.
If you ever have fired rounds that look totally and completely different from the unfired version.... in any firearm....you need to stop shooting, with a quickness.
On second thought, is this a joke or troll or something? Slight expansion is measured with calipers, there is nothing remotely slight about the round in your pictures.
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Durty
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Are you planning on taking out an elk at 500 yards with that rum? When you return the gun, get a different caliber too. Stupid ultra mags... these manufacturers now get under my skin. They make senseless rifle/caliber setups so senseless salesmen can sell inexperienced hunters something they don't need and something that will certainly not make them more disciplined shooters. "This here setup will take out anything on this continent. If you want to be able to kill a deer from a quarter mile away, this is your rifle."
hahaha thats pretty much exactly what they said..."you can do anything with this rifle". Well yeah probably true but whats wrong with a more mainstream munition like a 300 weatherby, win mag, a 308...ya know? plus those are wayyyy cheaper.
They sold it to me when i bought the gun...not sure if it was a stupid mistake or what..they had quite a few people in there that they were helping, so could have gotten me confused. Im not exactly sure how that happened...
Maverick223
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Doubt it, as none of the .300 magnums are really popular (the .300WM is probably in the top ten...none of the others are even close) so I seriously doubt that there was someone else buying similar ammunition concurrently. If possible I would follow Durty's advice and return the rifle (and ammunition) for something a bit lighter on the wallet and the shoulder. There is little need for a magnum of any kind in NA (exceptions being large/dangerous game like Kodiak/Polar bear and long range shooting/hunting. I strongly believe that you'll be far better served by a standard .30-06Spd....which will not only take any game animal in the lower 48 with relative ease, it is capable of any quarry in NA with proper ammunition (not just the right chambering...but premium cartridges ), do so at a pretty fair range (probably a mite bit further than the average Joe aught to be hunting), and did I mention that ammo is strewn everywhere...and cheap!
Now if you can't trade it for a more "sane" chambering (which may very well be the case), there is still another course of action that will help you out...taking up a new hobby...handloading. This will allow you to load to a lesser recoil level, and will save you quite a bit of money in the long run no matter what level you load to. If you go this route just make dang sure to load it properly using a good reloading handbook (I strongly recommend the easy to follow, insightful Lyman manual for beginners).
), do so at a pretty fair range (probably a mite bit further than the average Joe aught to be hunting), and did I mention that ammo is strewn everywhere...and cheap!Now if you can't trade it for a more "sane" chambering (which may very well be the case), there is still another course of action that will help you out...taking up a new hobby...handloading. This will allow you to load to a lesser recoil level, and will save you quite a bit of money in the long run no matter what level you load to. If you go this route just make dang sure to load it properly using a good reloading handbook (I strongly recommend the easy to follow, insightful Lyman manual for beginners).
rcmodel
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I agree 100% you would have been better off, and a better shot on down the road, had you bought the rifle in .308 Win or 30-06.
That is all the recoil most shooters can handle without developing an accuracy destroying severe flinch.
Not to mention the huge difference in ammo availability and price.
Another factor not mentioned so far is barrel life.
That .300 RUM will burn out a barrel in a relatively low number of rounds compared to a .308 or 30-06.
rc
That is all the recoil most shooters can handle without developing an accuracy destroying severe flinch.
Not to mention the huge difference in ammo availability and price.
Another factor not mentioned so far is barrel life.
That .300 RUM will burn out a barrel in a relatively low number of rounds compared to a .308 or 30-06.
rc
Maverick223
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Absolutely! Though I consider it a fairly minor concern when compared to recoil and the potential to develop a bad flinch (that is not only hard to overcome, but also completely unnecessary).
In fact, and even milder cartridge, like the 7mm-08Rem., would probably be an even better choice if the hunter isn't seeking quarry larger (at least with any frequency) than deer. It will afford less recoil, which generally equates to more practice, and a better marksman. In contrast with TV shows and Dirty Harry, better marksmanship ALWAYS trumps bigger guns.
MtnCreek
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Doesn't Remington make 300 RUM factory ammo loaded down to what they claim to be 30-06 standards? Pretty sure they do (although it likely costs 2x more than 30-06).
Maverick223
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I think they do (reduced recoil loads)...but like you said they cost double for no increase in performance (and a little more recoil due to inefficiency). In such circumstances (and otherwise) handloading would be the best option IMO.
Thanks for the info you guys...definitely some good things to keep in mind! The reason i got it was to do some long range shooting at our property in canada, and some hunting up there and here in the US. I took it in to get looked at this morning and picked it up this afternoon, thankfully no damage to the gun whatsoever! I also got some 300 RUM managed recoil 150 grain for $35. From what i've found reading around, the performance of managed recoil is still incredible as compared to a normal round. They had it listed for $40...but they gave it to me for a bit less which was good.I think they do (reduced recoil loads)...but like you said they cost double for no increase in performance (and a little more recoil due to inefficiency). In such circumstances (and otherwise) handloading would be the best option IMO.
Maverick223
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FYI, rounds like the '06 still do well at ranges up to about 1200yds., and are suitable for hunting up to, and perhaps beyond (depending upon the quarry), 500yds. Not trying to discourage you from keeping it (I will say that it's better suited to CAN than here in the lower-48, particularly the South), just want you to have all the facts before deciding to keep something that you find out you don't really like/need.
oh and i definitely appreciate it! I addressed the same issues with the shop owner and he is being very accommodating due to what happened...he said if i find its not what i want, bring it back and we'll swap it for something else...so we'll see what i decide to do.FYI, rounds like the '06 still do well at ranges up to about 1200yds., and are suitable for hunting up to, and perhaps beyond (depending upon the quarry), 500yds. Not trying to discourage you from keeping it (I will say that it's better suited to CAN than here in the lower-48, particularly the South), just want you to have all the facts before deciding to keep something that you find out you don't really like/need.
Maverick223
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Sounds like an honest guy...intent on making everything right. Can't ask any more of a man. He made a mistake, but I'd have no qualms doing business with someone like that gentleman again (but I'd still be sure to check the chambering on everything ).
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I'd like to point out, before we crucify the gun store clerk, that the responsibility for firing the correct ammo in a gun lies with the shooter.
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