.308 vs .309 in Jacketed Bullets

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Tempus Tom

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Hey guys,

I am new to reloading and am doing my best to not destroy myself and my firearms.

So far I've successfully reloaded about 1,000 rounds of 9mm & .40 cal. Recently, I decided to step up the fun and purchased some .308 170 grain Speer Deep Curl Soft Point Bullets from RMR (link below) to load in my 30-30.

https://www.rmrbullets.com/shop/bul...rl-jacketed-soft-point-flat-nose-bullets-new/

FYI: I'm using CCI large rifle primers, IMR 4166 powder & starline brass.

According to the data listed on Hodgton's website, my starting load for a 170 jacketed bullet using IMR 4166 is 28.8 grains and the max load is 30.7.

Using the above data as a guide, I recently loaded up some bullets and worked my way up to 30.3 grains. I carefully inspected each case and didn't see any signs of over pressure. But again, I'm really inexperienced at deciphering bulging primers.

But here's the problem.....as you may have guessed from the title the bullets aren't actually .308....they all measure to .309.

And while it's embarrassing to admit, I didn't even think this was a potential issue until after I fired the cartridges. I just thought, "Oh, I guess .308 bullets are .309. Interesting."

Obviously, other things being equal an increase in diameter will result in an increase in pressure. But is the difference of .308 vs .309 drastic enough to create serious issues? I don't know.

Should I be concerned using load data that's listed for .308? Does anyone here have experience that would be useful for me in my situation? And should I even attempt trying to get anywhere near the 30.7 grains listed online? Or is that out of the question?

Or is this really not an issue and as long as I don't see signs of over pressure and stay within the 30.7 grain max, it is very unlikely that I'll have an issue?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

 
It's no where near a problem. Just load them and shoot. Dont go trying the larger .311 or .312 bullets as that's excessive but your within the window that would not bother me in the least.
 
It's no where near a problem. Just load them and shoot. Dont go trying the larger .311 or .312 bullets as that's excessive but your within the window that would not bother me in the least.

That's the answer I was hoping for.

I'll obviously still take it slow and work up towards the max load.

Thank you for taking the time to read and reply!
 
Most jacketed bullets are .001" over typical bore dimension. .309" for .308WIN, .30-30, etc. When you get into cast bullets, things change, and there can be issues in older firearms that need a bigger bullet (like Tom explained above... .311"-.312", etc...) but that doesn't sound like your problem. Any time you get near max published loads you need to be watchful... with any cartridge.

I typically like a faster powder for the .30-30 and the 170's... IMR3031 is my favorite, but I'll be curious to see if IMR4166 works out for you.

Note of caution... .30-30 brass is a little thin, watch your crimp pressure, or you will buckle the shoulder.
 
Charlie 98 summed it up well. The brass is thin so be careful. Also trimming the brass to the exact length to get consistent crimps is a good thing as well.
As for reading pressures on primers, by the time you see a flat primer in a 30-30 you have well exceeded the max pressure to a dangerous point for a lever action.
 
I typically like a faster powder for the .30-30 and the 170's... IMR3031 is my favorite, but I'll be curious to see if IMR4166 works out for you.

I bought the IMR 4166 for two reasons...
1. It was available at my local shop.
2. I found load data for both 30-30 and .223 using that powder and those are the two rifle calibers I was hoping to reload.

I don't plan on doing any bench rest shooting or anything like that. Just want to load some ammo to take into the desert and have some fun. And maybe grow my stockpile of "hope I never need this" ammo.



Thanks all for the information. I greatly appreciate it.
 
Same reason I tried IMR4451, in lieu of H or IMR4350... it was there, and I didn't have to fight for it!

I do all my load testing when I go to Laughlin, NV... 5 minutes and I can be in the desert, no range rules, no one else... and the price is right.
 
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