308 win loads for elk

That may be easier said than done. I was loading some 165 grain Interlock ladders yesterday. At 45.5 grains Varget, the unsettled powder level was already into the neck. Predicted velocity of those loads at 46 grains was less than 2800 fps. Hornady loads that bullet to 2700 fps at the factory.

I've loaded 46.5 grains of Varget under the 150's and don't remember the cases being that full. Some published loads go to 47 grains. Not sure where you put it all.
 
Only elk I ever shot was a cow using factory Federal Fusion 180gr from my Ruger Compact with the short little pencil barrel. Shot caught her about 5 ribs back and a quarter up her side of her onside shoulder, and exited just in front of her offside shoulder as she was quartering away. She made about 10 wobbly steps and was done. Everything in between was jello.

Can't say it works everytime everywhere but the guide was impressed. 🤷‍♂️

Like has been mentioned though, your velocity will make a difference with the monometal bullets, there are however other choices besides Barnes or Hornady, and Nosler. Maker, Cutting-Edge and Hammer all make quality bullets that have high reviews. That said though the TTSX or the Hammer in a 150-165gr might be my choice IF I had to use all copper. If not I would probably lean towards a 165gr Partition or a similar weight bonded.
 
You tout an accurate load without touting the skill a group this size requires. That's some fine shooting, sir... well done!

I put way more effort than necessary in developing accurate hunting loads but it’s fun and part of the hobby for me.
 
Only elk I ever shot was a cow using factory Federal Fusion 180gr from my Ruger Compact with the short little pencil barrel. Shot caught her about 5 ribs back and a quarter up her side of her onside shoulder, and exited just in front of her offside shoulder as she was quartering away. She made about 10 wobbly steps and was done. Everything in between was jello.

Can't say it works everytime everywhere but the guide was impressed. 🤷‍♂️

Like has been mentioned though, your velocity will make a difference with the monometal bullets, there are however other choices besides Barnes or Hornady, and Nosler. Maker, Cutting-Edge and Hammer all make quality bullets that have high reviews. That said though the TTSX or the Hammer in a 150-165gr might be my choice IF I had to use all copper. If not I would probably lean towards a 165gr Partition or a similar weight bonded.
I like the Hammer bullets that I have loaded in 6.5 Creedmoor, and the Makers are awesome in 300BLK. I'm a shooter, not a hunter, but my step son has dropped two deer with a 124gr Hammer Hunter. They are very accurate bullets.
 
I’ve only loaded Accubonds for its bigger brother. The literature says the partitions are for lighter skinned game. Good luck!
I dunno about that! I shot an elk in Colorado with a 225 grain Nosler PJ. It went down the mountain and fell with it's antlers jammed into the dirt. I butchered it on the spot.

I peeled the hide off the left side (the side facing me when I fired) and the left front leg fell off. I peeled the hide off the right side and the right front leg fell off. A bullet that will take out a bull elk by shooting off both front legs and take out the heart and lungs is good for ANY game you may encounter on this continent.
 
I vote for 150 or 165 Nosler Partitions over Varget

The 150s and 165s can get enough velocity from a 308 to be effective. Anything more than that, you run the risk of poor expansion.
The Partition is a very well constructed bullet. Mr Murphy dictates that when you get a nice bull or buck in your crosshairs, he will strike, and you will hit a bone and a less constructed bullet will not hold together.
Varget, because its like the Heinz 57 of powders for 308. It just works and its temp stable.

My sister and brother in law have killed many bull elks with a 30-06 and a 180 Partition factory loaded ammo. It never fails, even at 400 yards. and even when hitting a large bone.
 
Definitely Varget. I use a 180 grain copper over 46 grains of Varget. Excellent on large white tails. Never tried it with elk. 200 yards max.
 
And you perfectly illustrate the conundrum with premium bullets- Bullets such as Accubonds and other bonded core bullets make nice, pretty mushroomed bullets with a large frontal area. However, these bullets have the potential to lose penetration because of the increased frontal area. John Barsness of Handloader magazine very succinctly illustrated this by pointing out that as a bullets frontal diameter increases, its sectional density effectively decreases. In other words, a .30 caliber, 180 gr. bullet with a pre-expanded sectional density of .271 that expands to a diameter of, say .60", would have a sectional density of .071. The other end of the spectrum of premium bullets are those such as the Barnes TSX's which expand with a smaller frontal area but penetrate more deeply.
Just some food for thought.

35W

This is definitely among the things to consider when selecting a big game bullet. There are always trade-offs; everything is a compromise. Bonded bullets are much tougher than standard cup-and-core bullets, but they do, as you say, mushroom and expand more than monometals like Barnes' TSX. The trade-off being that you do get more expansion, and potentially more wounding as the bullet works through the animal, while still getting enough penetration for big game. In my mind, the Accubond exists in a balance point between monometal (e.g. TSX) and cup-and-core (e.g. ELD-X, SGK) bullets in terms of terminal performance.

Federal's Trophy Bonded Tipped (and the newer Terminal Ascent) is something of a hybrid between a "regular" bonded bullet and a monometal. It has a solid copper shank and a lead core only in the nose of the bullet, and that lead core is bonded to the jacket. It's very hard to find these as reloading components (I had some factory second Edge TLRs a few years ago from Midway, but otherwise I've never seen the federals in stock as a reloading component), but I think they make a good choice if you're shooting factory ammo and your rifle likes them well enough.

I have a few pictures of the TBT bullet we recovered, but the ones I have handy show the bullet covered in blood and hard to see. I have a clean picture some where but I can't find it at the moment. It looked very much like the picture of the Barnes you posted, however. The solid shank was intact. The nose had expanded and there were copper petals pulled back, though smaller and more compact than your picture. One side was mangled, probably from hitting bone, but the other two were not. Interestingly, the lead core in the nose was almost all gone. There was a little bit still attached to what had become the front of the expanded bullet. The rest had apparently been "swiped" or "flowed" off the bullet as it passed through the animal (my words to describe it---not jacket-core seperation---picture what you see with Accubonds). The TBT did exactly what it was supposed to do on an imperfect angle, and we recovered the bull less than 100 yards from that spot. But I was surprised the bullet did not exit.

As you said, there's food for thought. Would my Accubonds have held together as well as the TBT did on the same shot? Probably not quite as well. I think they would have still worked just fine, but the TBT losing almost all of its bonded core gives me a little pause, although those bullets don't have a whole lot of lead core to begin with. Add to this pause an experience I had one time where my 180 Accubond didn't exit from a whitetail deer I shot in the shoulder. A very short range shot from my 30-06, and probably a fluke, but it still happened (deer fell over where it stood, but not what I expected from the Accubond). That prior experience lead me to play with Barnes' bullets a little bit. I tried to develop a load with 168 TTSX bullets, but I always ran into pressure before I could get close to advertised velocities, and my accuacy with them in my rifles has ranged from not great to just so-so. I can run 180 grain Accubonds about the same speed as the 168 TTSX bullets, and the Accubonds shoot better in my rifles. That's why I keep coming back to that bullet for an elk load in my 30-06 (would opt for the 165 in a 308).

But there's still plenty to think about. Maybe I'll play with the 168 TTSX again. Or maybe I'll see if my rifle likes the 175 LRX. Or maybe I'll keep taking the Accubonds and just be a little extra mindful of the shot angle. As you put it, food for thought.
 
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I've heard good things about Hammer Bullets for those who desire to use monometal. What you described with early pressure issues with Barnes, is a comment that I've heard elsewhere as well. I'm just starting to get into a bit of monometal loading, so I don't have a lot of personal experience with mono's. Hammer bullets and reloaders claim they can push hammers harder on loads than Barnes due to Hammers drive bands on the shank that keep pressures lower than corresponding Barnes.

I've not had a need for monometal's as where I hunt have no restrictions; but it definitely is a curiosity for me going forward to work up some loads and try them out hunting.
 
I would load up a 165gr Nosler Partition at ~2900 fps +/- and go hunt.
Unless you have a 28” barrel. You’re not going to get 2,900fps from a .308win. I use a max load of RL17 to get 2,900with a 165gr from my 24”bbl .30/06’s.
My younger brother has taken several elk with his pre’64 Winchester M70 feather weight (22”bbl) using the Nosler 150gr Partition. He uses a slightly over published load of H4895 to get 2,900fps with an 150gr. About 15yrs ago I gifted him a box of 150gr Partition Gold. He loaded 20. Used 3 to check zero. He’s shot 3 elk, still has 14 left! No recovered bullets.
Nosler no longer makes the Gold version. I would prefer the Swift A-frames for elk, personally. Longer shanks, smaller forward lead section than a Nosler.
 
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