.357 vs .44 Special recoil

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i have a difficult choice. i am looking to buy a new revolver and have narrowed it down to two, a s&w 686+ 2 1/2 inch and a s&w m29 3 inch.
i have found a good deal on each.
my question is this: which gun will produce more recoil?
the 686 357 with cor bon 110 gr with a muzzle velocity of 1500lbs and muzzle energy of 550lbs.
or the m29 .44 special with cor bon 165 gr muzzle velocity/1050lbs and muzzle energy 404lbs.
or even the 686 .38 special with cor bon 110 gr +p muzzle velocity/1050lbs and muzzle energy 270/lbs.
what factor most determines recoil.
thanks for the help
 
You'll also have to factor in the weight of the revolver. You could rent and shoot both guns at a indoor range. If minimum amount of recoil is that important stay with the 38/357.
 
I like the recoil of the .44 Spl. over the .357, hands down. Many folks use mid range .357 loads for carry. I also like the larger caliber bullet. :)
 
I actually like the recoil of even standard pressure .45 colts over .357 magnums. The .44 Special is a great round and produces more of a push then a snap when compared to the .357 mag. The .38 will have less then both however.

So I vote that the .44 special/.44 mag combo is still better then the .38/.357 combo.

What will the revolver be used for? And do you reload?
 
44 spl. I shoot bullets up to 300 gr at 800-900 fps and they are quite gentile in the recoil department. Fired out of a Ruger SBH 4 5/8" barrel.
 
found a great recoil calculator at www.handloads.com.
thanks for the intel.
the gun is mainly just for recreation. it may spend some time in the nightstand vault for home defense if i like it.
i am starting to like the .44 special round. just wish it was cheaper to shoot.
(no i don't reload)
again....thanks
 
44spl is very pleasant, and very functional. 357 is very snappy, but also very functional. You can get the same work done with much lower pressure out of a 44spl. Also factor in noise, large piece of the perceived recoil factor:

(Courtesy of Jim Watson)
.25 ACP 155.0 dB
.32 LONG 152.4 dB
.32 ACP 153.5 dB
.380 157.7 dB
9mm 159.8 dB
.38 S&W 153.5 dB
.38 Spl 156.3 dB
.357 Magnum 164.3 dB
.41 Magnum 163.2 dB
.44 Spl 155.9 dB
.45 ACP 157.0 dB
.45 COLT 154.7 dB

Your 44spl will be quieter than 38spl, due to pressure. I'd personally go 44spl.
 
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Airbus 300. I have both, M65, 686 and a pair of 44 special. CA Bulldog 3" and a Smith M21 4".

44 special wins hands down. Best way to go is to learn to reload the round of your choice if you don't already. I reload all of mine and use either the 200gr RNFP but prefer the 246gr RN. W231 powder. This makes a nice comfortable round to shoot and accuracy is top notch.

However, either cal is a good choice.

Good luck
 
Disregarding recoil, the .44 Special is much more pleasant to shoot, because it doesn't come with the ear-splitting muzzle blast of the much higher pressure .357 round.

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If it wasn't for the cost of ammo, I would highly recommend the .44 Special. I reload for it as I fell in love with my Bulldog Pug and it is definitely a fun round to shoot. I load up a 180grain with 13.5 grains of blue dot. this is a fiesty round but .44 special is a fun round to reload as there is a good variety of projectiles and powders out there.

I can't find .44 Special at most stores outside of a gun store. I called Dick's and all they have is .44 Magnum.

I would research the local shops on the availability of .44 Special. Now you could always bulk order ammo online (georgia arms comes to mind).

.38/.357 ammo is easier to come by but yes .357 does have some snap to it not to mention the muzzle blast.
 
I would actually recommend the .357/.38 if you don't reload and have no plans to do so. Though I like the .44 better, in this case the cost of ammo will prevent you from shooting it much.
 
You CAN buy 44Spl loads that break the sound barrier (about 1,050 feet per second), but you don't need to in order to get a seriously effective round.

As long as you stay under the sound barrier, the 44Spl (and for that matter the 45ACP and 45LC) are going to be much more pleasant to handle (esp. indoors!) than a 357 load of similar effectiveness - because to match or exceed the big-bores in terms of per-round effectiveness, the 357 has to go seriously supersonic.

That's the magic of the big bores.

Mind you, if you push the 357 way up into the sound barrier at 1,500fps or more with a good slug, it starts doing really nasty wounding stuff that the 44Spl can't match. But there's a crash'n'boom penalty...
 
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Yep, I'm with Walkalong. Given fairly light firearms, I like my ugly (and I mean ugly) CA Bulldog 44 3" with Pachmayr grips and 200-something grain hollowpoints over hot .357 in a 3 or 4" barrel. The recoil isn't bad, the slug is big, report isn't earsplitting.

And.... didja ever shoot hot .357 loads in near darkness? Oh, man, :what: that'll give you a little night blindness. I wouldn't want to be looking INTO that fireball... but I'll stick with the .44 - it was good enough a hundred years ago, still is today.
 
I'd go with the most effective round that wouldn't make my ears bleed if I fired it in a enclosed space.
Here are my two favorite HD handguns,
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Oh, that would be a .44spl and .45acp :)
 
go with the .357! all around not that much more recoil (push vs snap) and just a more useful caliber. jmho
 
I have owned and shot both, in S&W N frame revolvers. The .44 Special is very different, and to me, a lot easier to shoot well. I find the .357 very unconfortable to shoot, even in a heavy N-frame. I'd rather shoot a .44 mag.


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Another vote for 44 Special

If you are a revolver shooter, it is worth your time to learn to reload.

Check out the links in my siggy. If you run some numbers, you will see that it will not take many boxes of ammo to pay for $100 of reloading equipment in the savings vs. buying factory 44 Special.

It is an easy-to-do, rewarding sub-hobby. Not only does it save you money on ammo, but keeps you involved in guns & shooting without actually shooting. You can get started for as little as $75 with a Classic Lee Loader. PM me for more details if you're interested.
 
Before you plunk your money down, go shoot a snub nosed 357. Or a short barreled 44 Mag.

I have shot them, and I don't own them. It is like having a bomb go off in front of your face. Horrible noise, red fireball, and with full power loads, nasty recoil.
 
You don't reload... I hate to say this, I love the .44 Special & Russian, but... go with .38/.357M. You can buy plinker .38s any and every where - reasonably. The only reasonable 'big bore' is a .45 - a .45 ACP, to be exact. The S&W 625 is a great way to 'blast away', with a frugal, to both your pocket and your wrist (low recoil), round while actually making a big hole - and carrying a large mass - very similar to the .44 Special. The difference? 250 UMC 230gr FMJ ball ammo at Wally World - $82. I can hardly reload my brass for that (Components have gotten outrageous - and hard to find.). That is little more than .38 plinkers, too.

Now, if you do go .38/.357M - why do you want super-lite/super-hot .357Ms? If you want great protection - well subsonic but very high 'one shot stop' percentage' - try the .38 Spcl +P 158gr LHPSWC, like the Remington R38S12. This is also known as the old 'FBI load' - very effective - not much recoil in a larger steel revolver - an experience in an alloy Airweight (I carry them in my 642.). If you want to plink frugally, try the UMC .38 Specials - 130gr MC - decent plinkers at a fair price at Wally World. Save the .357Ms for 'hunting'... and be sure to clean the crud left from shooting short-cased .38s before loading .357Ms.

Below are what I feel are S&W's current 'Best Buys'. The top one is a 625JM in .45 ACP and comes equipped with those grips, while the front sight is an aftermarket - and was changed in seconds without tools. The rimless .45 Auto must be used with metal clips, aka 'moonclips', for faster reloads. Below it is the 627 Pro - an eight-shot .38/.357M that can use moonclips, if desired, although it functions fine without them. It comes with rubber grips - and a different front sight, also schanged in seconds (The two revolvers take the same sight.). It's neat having eight rounds at a time, of course. Both revolvers have a host of other standard features - and run ~$700-$720 new locally. That's a lot... but they are a one-time purchase - they'll be passed on to your children (Unless you tire of them!).

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I love the .44 special - in fact, Tuesday found me at the range with my 696 - a S&W .44 Special 5-shooter (similar to the Charter Arms .44 Special). I was shooting the Special's predecessor - the .44 Russian - in a wimpy load - a 240gr LSWC at 692 fps from the 3" barrel. Mild to shoot, it still made a power factor of 166+ - over the 'Major Power Factor' minimum of 165 - a requirement for some competitions. Your 110gr .357M would have to make over 1,510 fps to equal my wimpy .44 Russians - and those .357M's would produce a brisk & mean recoil.

I hope I've helped - big and slow produces less violent recoil than lite and brisk. Choose something affordable, too.

Stainz

PF = (bullet mass in grains) X (muzzle velocity in 1,000's fps)
 
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