peacebutready
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Shoot a J-frame for a while. Then when your hands have healed, .40 will feel like nothing.
Interesting comment. Were you referring to standard or +P pressure .38 loads?
Shoot a J-frame for a while. Then when your hands have healed, .40 will feel like nothing.
This is probably more due to the platform than the caliber, IMO. XD's flip the muzzle real nice and high for me, in any caliber, compared to a Glock. The most ridiculous muzzle flip I ever experienced was with a SW P99 in 45ACP - and it was a soft, fast, and accurate shooter. Muzzle flip has to do with axial mass and bore axis and is not much of an indication of recoil. Straight back recoil almost feels like you can manhandle the gun to control the recoil. But for me, I find no practical difference in shooting speed or accuracy between the two different kinds of recoil.The 40 flips the muzzle up the 45 shoves straight back into your hand
I had a Glock 23 (.40 S&W) and I traded it for an M&P 45 which I could shoot a lot better.While browsing at a gun show today I was chatting with one of the exhibitors about replacing a 40 s&w that I can't "hit the broad side of a barn with" He mentioned that he felt the 40 was a difficult round to shoot and that he felt the 45 acp was a far better easier round to master.
I had never heard anything like that before. Of course there are probably more opinions on the subject than there are members on High Road but,
I'd like to "hear" a few......
Not necessarily, the Steyr M40-A1 has superb ergonomics, an excellent trigger and it's frame has more in common with a G20 than G22, it's built like a tank and weighs in about 27ozs.It isn't, and I did not mean to say that it is. I believe, however, that the unpleasantness, or lack thereof, of this particular combination is HIGHLY dependent upon grip strength. For shooters with crushing grip strength, they can hold the frame pretty still all the way through recoil... and so the barrel doesn't flip and it doesn't look or feel "snappy." For shooters with less grip force and/or sub-optimal grip technique, the .40 on a polymer frame is going to rotate more in the hand than a polymer 9mm or a steel 1911 in .45acp.
I wouldn't say its "hard to shoot", but if I compared my G17 (9mm full size) G22 (40 full size) and G21SF (45 full size) glocks, the G22 would be the hardest one to shoot with the speed and accuracy that I desire. So, I got rid of the G22.
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I wouldn't say its "hard to shoot", but if I compared my G17 (9mm full size) G22 (40 full size) and G21SF (45 full size) glocks, the G22 would be the hardest one to shoot with the speed and accuracy that I desire. So, I got rid of the G22.
I bolded the part I think is why some folks have a different opinion. A lot of shooters simply go to a square range and shoot targets in un-timed fire, so part of the effects of recoil (or in the .40s case "snappiness") is never fully appreciated. They don't run a timer, so they don't get to see the "effect" of a harder to control pistol on splits.
I just started the foray into the .40, and running similar weight guns in 9mm and .40 on the same drill or COF using a timer I can see a difference in times and accuracy.
So I wouldn't call a .40 hard to shoot, but I would call it harder to shoot at least when comparing accuracy AND time.
Chuck
The comment about the .40 is more often directed at its snappy recoil than its accuracy.