410/45 Derringer test results

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410/45 Derringer test results

Derringers chambered for both 410 shotgun shells and 45 Colt have been getting pretty popular. I have been curious about these for a while so I went ahead and bought one of those Cobray side-by-side 410/45 colt derringers. Today I got the chronograph out and obtained some velocity readings. The pistol itself is what one might call a Saturday Night Special. It is robustly built as well as being very crude and awkward to use. But it is inexpensive compared to the more common 410/45 Colt over and under derringers. A knob for tilting the barrel flung off on the second shot.

The barrels are just under 3 and ¾ inches long with a small amount of rifling at the end of the barrels.

The velocity readings are quite low:

Winchester Cowboy 45 Colt 250 grain averaged 537 fps. Some of the bullet holes at four paces showed obvious tumbling. Recoil was light/moderate and next time around I will get the full-powered 45 Colt. I think a hollow base soft lead bullet would do best in sealing in the barrel and engaging the rifling.

Remington Extra Long Range 3” 410 #4 shot averaged 670 fps. The shot pattern was very wide with only four pellets hitting a six-inch target at four paces. The recoil is pretty fierce.

Winchester Sporting Clays 2 ½” #8 shot averaged 706fps and had a tighter pattern. Recoil was fairly strong but not at all bad.

I made my own triple ought buck round by cutting the top off a 3 inch Remington shot shell and replaced the shot with 3 triple ought lead balls which squeezed firmly into the shot cup. All three pellets hit within a six-inch target at four paces. The velocity was 682 fps. Recoil was moderate.

Based on my velocity readings I think that these 410/45 derringers should be viewed as a novelty or trail/snake gun and not used for defense. This is not to say that these pistols are not capable of being quite deadly but I think that there are better alternatives out there to use.
 
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I have only resold sold a couple of guns in my life. This pistol is the only one I haven't regretted selling.
 
Does anyone have penetration equations that I can use to figure round shot penetration at these low velocities?
 
With the opinion that any gun, in order to be seriously considered a defense gun should at least put it's bullets through a 2 inch board.
I tested 00 buckshot in my TC 410/45 barrel.

My TC barrel is 7 inches long. Much longer than the typical 410/45 Derringer.

The ammo was S&B 3 inch 5 pellet 00 buckshot. I believe a fairly hot 410 shell.

I set up a 2x6 board and a 1 inch plywood board.

From about 6-7 yards I shot 3 shells.

Of the 15 pellets only 4 hit the 6 inch board.
The deepest penetration was 1 inch, measured to the front of one pellet. The others went into the board about 3/4 inch.
The wood was just the typical wood used in house construction, not a hard wood.

Although a couple shot slightly pushed out the back of the plywood, none went through the plywood.


Years ago I had one of those Cobray's like lbmii is talking about.
It kicked like heck and was a real hazard from the shot bouncing back at you.
 
The thing is; my Cobray 410 has just under 3 3/4 inch barrels. Many 410 derringers have even shorter barrels so their velocities might be even less.

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A pawn shop owner told me that when the CCW law came out in Missouri that he started selling a lot of 410 pistols for CCWs. He said you would be suprised just how many people carry these for defense.
 
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