41F clarification

[USAF_Vet]

7/1/2016, for an individual Form 1, all one needs to do is get fingerprints (non digital), passport size photos and a $200 check gathered together and sent to the ATF?

How does the CLEO notification then work?




Did Obama's EA request include additional staff for NFA branch to process requests? Or was that just for NICS?

 

[Arizona_Mike]

I've heard you will no longer be able to roll your own prints, so who must to them in that case?

I'm also looking for a clear explanation of the LEO notification requirement. I see 3 possibilities:
1. They trust you to mail the letter (like with a Type 03 C&R FFL).
2. A certified mail receipt.
3. A signed "acknowledgement" for included in your package (which the FFL might sit on).

Mike

 

[Ryanxia]

I've heard you will no longer be able to roll your own prints, so who must to them in that case?

I'm also looking for a clear explanation of the LEO notification requirement. I see 3 possibilities:
1. They trust you to mail the letter (like with a Type 03 C&R FFL).
2. A certified mail receipt.
3. A signed "acknowledgement" for included in your package (which the FFL might sit on).

Mike

They would accept finger prints rolled by the person submitting?

 

[Swing]

I've heard you will no longer be able to roll your own prints, so who must to them in that case?

Regarding who can take them, from page 150 of the Final Rule document, published January 4, 2016:

Fingerprints may be taken by anyone who is properly equipped to take them (see instructions on ATF Form 1, Form 4, Form 5, and Form 5320.23). Therefore, applicants may utilize the service of any business or government agency that is properly equipped to take fingerprints.

And the instructions on the current Form 1:

Photographs and Fingerprints. An individual maker (including any Federally licensed collector who is an individual but not any other type of Federal firearms licensee) must (1) attach to each copy in item 12 of the ATF Form 1, a 2 inch x 2 inch photograph of his/her frontal view taken one year prior to the date of the application and (2) submit two properly completed FBI Forms FD-258 (Fingerprint Card with blue lines) with the application. The fingerprints must be clear for accurate classification and taken by someone properly equipped to take them.

 

[barnbwt]

I seem to recall that when Texas first went to CHLs, they required 'digital' prints, of which there were about three providers across the entire state. The market eventually caught up, but it was clearly a prohibitive measure.

I have to wonder if folks in certain rural or hostile areas may end up encountering resistance in getting prints for this purpose (not that NFA taxes are any of their business, but I've always been 'idly' asked what I'm getting prints for, and didn't care to lie to an officer/etc). I don't even know how common paper vs. digital prints are at this point; I'd assume the former are fading fast into memory.

TCB

 

[agtman]

[And the instructions on the current Form 1:
Quote:
Photographs and Fingerprints. An individual maker (including any Federally licensed collector who is an individual but not any other type of Federal firearms licensee) must (1) attach to each copy in item 12 of the ATF Form 1, a 2 inch x 2 inch photograph of his/her frontal view taken one year prior to the date of the application and (2) submit two properly completed FBI Forms FD-258 (Fingerprint Card with blue lines) with the application. The fingerprints must be clear for accurate classification and taken by someone properly equipped to take them.

That's as stated on the current F1 application which, like the current F4 application, will be revised before 41P is implemented on 7/1/2016, in order to make those forms consistent with the changes the new rule implements for processing apps from individuals and entities (trusts, LLCs, etc).

Among those changes will be the 24-month look-back "window" applying to the requirement of FP cards and 2x2 pics, where if you've already submitted those with a previous F1 or F4 app., and were approved (i.e., you got your stamp), you're good-to-go and don't need to supply additional FP cards and pics with subsequent F1/F4 apps for 2-years.

Along with eliminating the CLEO sign-off requirement, not having to furnish extra sets of FP cards and passport-type mugshots during those 2-years for every additional NFA toy actually eases the process for submitting F1s and F4s as an individual, ... although some seem to doubt this.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

They would accept finger prints rolled by the person submitting?

According to Prince Law yes.

We all need to keep in mind that the the top of the ATF's draft of 41T, it says the final version published in the Federal Registrar may be different.

Mike

 

[Armymutt]

So, this is pretty much the death of eForms, right? From what I can tell, the ATF doesn't accept split submissions, so unless you already have your photo and fingerprints with them, you can't file an eForm 1 to build an item.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

So, this is pretty much the death of eForms, right? From what I can tell, the ATF doesn't accept split submissions, so unless you already have your photo and fingerprints with them, you can't file an eForm 1 to build an item.

Not sure because they accept attachments. Full Corporations have been submitting the responsible person form for years and early on they wanted form 5330.20 citizenship affidavits before decided that trusts did not have a nationality (and I sent scanned copies of those). I guess the question comes down to whether they will accept scanned fingerprint cards. Also, since they will "look back" for fingerprint cards from previous applications in the last 24 months, they may very well allow "splits".

Mike

 

[Armymutt]

I suppose that's true. I just don't know how clear of an image they would get with scanned fingerprints.

 

[medalguy]

Actually the prints are quite good. I've used them several times.

 

[Ryanxia]

Well they don't allow individuals to e-file and upload their fingerprints at the moment right? Don't see why they'd allow Trusts to. (Maybe I'm wrong).

And I just noticed the date in the OP. The date is 6 months from the day it is entered into the Federal Registrar which I do not believe has happened yet. So the clock hasn't starting ticking on those 6 months. If it went into the Registrar today the effective date would be 7/15/16 but if it doesn't go into the Registrar until a month from now the effective date becomes 8/15/16.

 

[dogtown tom]

barnbwt I seem to recall that when Texas first went to CHLs, they required 'digital' prints....

You heard wrong.

 

[Swing]

And I just noticed the date in the OP. The date is 6 months from the day it is entered into the Federal Registrar which I do not believe has happened yet.

It was published today and it can be read here.

 

[Ryanxia]

Ya I looked that up after posting my last comment and it happened to be today.