44 Mag +P

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I'd check that the action can handle that pressure. In general high pressures don't bode well on semi-autos.
 
C'mon - .44 Mag +P ?? :rolleyes:

Why risk blowing something up for a few advertised FPS from your rifle? If you want a super-magnum, go buy a .460 S&W or .454 Casull and not worry about the risk.

To be honest, i wouldn't shoot that stuff from my Ruger 77/44 bolt-action carbine, and it's strong as heck

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I like DoubleTap, they are a good ammo company that makes quality loads, and they are one of the few that makes full power loadings in cartridges that the bigger ammo companies (Winchester, Remington) seem to only make watered-down loads for anymore. With regards to these overpressure loads which push a cartridge well beyond its original design though, I agree with Rampant_Colt. With other cartridges available (.454 Casull, .50 AE, .480 Ruger, etc.) that were designed from the ground up to have more power, high overpressure loadings of less powerful cartridges seems like an answer in search of a question.

As to whether this load could be fired in your specific model of carbine without ill effect, I don't know. I know when it comes to revolvers there are definitely some models that are 'no-goes' for this load, so its probably similar with carbines. Your best bet is probably to just e-mail or call DoubleTap directly.
 
Don't know about semis, but it will fire from an 1894 or 1892 levergun no problem. Great ammo - Doubletap and Buffalo Bore are really out there doing the right things.
 
C'mon - .44 Mag +P ??

Why risk blowing something up for a few advertised FPS from your rifle?

I've found the DT ammo velocities to be accurate in personal testing.

And my Alaskan has seen many, many of the +P JHP's through it, as has my 9" Super Redhawk.

DT specifically says the following, so heed it:
"THIS 44 MAGNUM AMMO IS RECOMMENDED FOR USE IN RUGER AND DAN WESSON DOUBLE-ACTION REVOLVERS, AS WELL AS THE TAURUS RAGING BULL, T/C ENCORE, AND FREEDOM ARMS. THIS AMMUNITION HAS A CHAMBER PRESSURE OF 40,000PSI. NOT FOR USE IN ANY OTHER FIREARM!"

I don't believe the 77/44 is listed.

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Richard.Howe said:
I don't believe the 77/44 is listed
I would think that a bolt-action is stronger than any revolver or semiauto. I still would not shoot Double Tap ammo from any of my guns to eek out a few feet per second more - just get a bigger gun...
 
I would think that a bolt-action is stronger than any revolver or semiauto. I still would not shoot Double Tap ammo from any of my guns to eek out a few feet per second more - just get a bigger gun...

Hmm. Three things:

1. An ammunition manufacturer's liability warning based on communications with the firearm design/manufacturer trumps an "I would think" every time.

Buffalo Bore has a similar warning, and given the liabilities involved, I'm sure it's not make believe: "This new load is designed for only certain revolvers that have the cylinder length to handle it. They are as follows. Ruger Red Hawk, Ruger Super Red Hawk, Ruger Super Blackhawk or Vaquero, Freedom Arms Model 83, Taurus Raging Bull and Dan Wesson Revolvers. Suitable rifles include T/C Encore, "modified" Marlin 1894, Winchester 1894, any rifle with a falling block action and the Handi Rifle."

Nope, no 77/44 listed there either.

2. Some would "...still would not shoot Double Tap ammo from any of my guns to eek out a few feet per second more" -- but be aware that it's not exactly just a few more FPS. Federal Premium 240grain loads usually leave my barrel at ~1150fps with about 735ft-lbs of energy. My Double Tap load, a 300 grain JHP, moves out close to 1500fps with a calculated energy of about 1500ft-lbs. That's TWICE the muzzle energy of a standard 44 magnum load. We're not talking about trivial increases in velocity, here. It's generally helpful to discuss real numbers instead of reverting to straw man arguments.

3. While many may advise to "just get a bigger gun," that's not generally the best answer. I shoot 110-grain spitzers out of my .308 at varmints, 150-grain Sierra Gamekings out of the same 308 for deer, and 180-grain Hornady round nose bullets out of the same 308 for timber elk. It does all of the above just fine. What I get out of it, is intimate knowledge of just one gun, suitable for many purposes. That's also the beauty of a flexible round like the 44 magnum -- there's a whole spectrum of usable loads, including +P for pistols designed to shoot it, and there's just no reason to stridently argue against use of the whole spectrum.
 
Without getting into a long-winded reply, generally-speaking, bolt-action rifles are a stronger action than lever-actions.
I'm sure a quick email to DT would confirm my suspicions about using that stuff in a 77/44 - correct me if i'm wrong. There aren't enough .44 bolt-actions on the market to justify mentioning it in their list of approved firearms


Most big three factory loaded ammunition has been loaded on the mild side lately enabling botique ammo manufacturers a market niche for those concerned with 'magnumizing' their guns with +P+ ammo.

If you want a magnum buy one. I would definitely NOT shoot that stuff from a Ruger semi-auto carbine
 
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