.44 Mag Powder selection? Cast VS Jacket?

[JesterGrin_1]

I have been looking for powder's and what I am using is Tightgroup but I was going to try some W296 for my cast Boolits but it does not show W296 for cast? So my burning ? is why do they not show some powders for cast but they do for Jacketed rounds?

I have been reading everything I can on here and other places and there really is no information as to why this is so. But I have been informed on this great board as well as from others that I can use the load chart if I have the same wight of boolit with a powder that is listed and not to be to concerned about wheather it is cast or Jacketed?


I know this might be a dumb ? to many but to me there is no such thing as a dumb ? only a ? that is not asked.





240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 Universal .430" 1.620" 6.5 852 11,700 CUP 10.2 1276 37,500 CUP

240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 HP-38 .430" 1.620" 5.5 800 12,000 CUP 11.0 1334 38,100 CUP

240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 Titegroup .430" 1.620" 4.7 801 11,100 CUP 10.0 1288 38,400 CUP

240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 Clays .430" 1.620" 4.3 759 14,000 CUP 6.2 940 21,800 CUP

240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 Trail Boss .430" 1.500" 6.0 828 19,100 PSI 7.3 917 21,600 PSI

240 GR. LSWC CAST 240 231 .430" 1.620" 5.5 800 12,000 CUP 11.0 1334 38,100 CUP





240 GR. NOS JHP 240 H4227 .429" 1.600" 22.0 1301 28,400 CUP 24.0 1458 36,100 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 H110 .429" 1.600" 23.0 1413 25,200 CUP 24.0 1522 36,200 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 Lil'Gun .429" 1.600" 22.5 1465 30,100 CUP 24.5 1582 38,100 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 Longshot .429" 1.600" 11.0 1249 29,400 PSI 12.1 1331 34,500 PSI

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 HS-6 .429" 1.600" 12.0 1144 22,800 CUP 15.1 1417 38,200 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 Universal .429" 1.600" 8.0 1018 21,900 CUP 10.2 1246 38,200 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 HP-38 .429" 1.600" 8.0 1021 23,800 CUP 11.0 1272 37,800 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 Titegroup .429" 1.600" 9.0 1219 33,500 CUP 10.0 1292 37,700 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 296 .429" 1.600" 23.0 1413 25,200 CUP 24.0 1522 36,200 CUP

240 GR. NOS JHP 240 231 .429" 1.600" 8.0 1021 23,800 CUP 11.0 1272 37,800 CUP

 

[Slamfire]

Data for H110 with cast bullets is a bit hard to find. I don’t know why.

However from Handloader July 2006, Brian Pierce shows a 250 Keith Lyman 429421 with 24.5 grains gives 1368fps out of a 6.5” M29.

I know I have shot H110 with lead, I just don’t have any data or notes. I have shot the stuff with JHP, and I would start at 24.0 grs and see what happens.

Why H110 data is good, is that there is no difference between H110 and W296 beside price, the bottles, and lot to lot differences.

 

[eastwood44mag]

Call Hodgdon and ask their tech for additional info. They often have more info than the publish.

 

[JesterGrin_1]

Well I loaded up some Laser Cast SWC 240Gr with 22.5Gr of W296 and some with 23.0Gr of W296. I will see where they fly off to lol.

 

[Ranger J]

From what I have been able to read H110/W296 must always be used at nearly a max load. Loading this under a cast bullet ,like OTs will push the bullet too fast and result in leading of your barrel. Again from what I have read even though they say they can be pushed fast it is best to keep them at 1400fps or less. That is probably why you don't see a lot of cast loads for these powders. You might be better off to use red dot or AA#2 with these bullets.

RJ

 

[Snapping Twig]

Typically I go by weight when I convert H110 loads from copper to lead.

A lead bullet has less friction than copper, so I've felt safe in doing so. I figured that leading was the reason for not listing lead velocities over 1000fps.

Hard cast bullets sized properly do not lead when pushed to magnum velocities.

I shoot Lyman 429244 over 22g of H110/W296 and I find it to be accurate and hard hitting.

 

[Ben Shepherd]

You may want to give 2400 a serious look for cast slugs. Works very well.

 

[rcmodel]

+1
Unlike H110/WW296 ball powder, Alliant 2400 can be loaded down to the desired velocity level using lead bullets without affecting ingition & burn.

Another very good one for reduced .44 Mag lead loads is Alliant Unique. It's good for any lead bullet load in any caliber!

It is slower then red dot, 231, etc, so it's much easier to get better performance, and much harder to double charge a case!


rcmodel

 

[fecmech]

Jester--The Winchester powder guide(14th edition) shows 25 grs of 296 with a 240 gr lead swc. I have seen other published 296/h110 loads in the 23-25 gr. range. When I was shooting Metallic Silhouette some years back I went thru many 8 lb kegs of 296 for my .44 mag Super Blackhawk. I shot 25 grs of 296 behind the Lyman 429421 Keith SWC (253 grs. cast from wheel wts) which gave me about 1375 fps out of my 7.5" bbl. Leading was not a problem and accuracy was excellent.
H110/and 296 are excellent powders for cast bullets in both the .44 and .357 mag!

 

[Al Norris]

24.5gr of H110 under 240gr OT RNFP is what I shoot out of my Vaquero (5.5") and my NM SBH (7.5"). No leading. Hard hitting. Accurate as all get out.

23gr of IMR4227 or 23.4gr of H4227 seem to do just as well. (note: mag primers with 110 and 4227)

For softer lead, I drop down to HS7 or HS6. I quit using tightgroup for lead.

 

[evan price]

I am using 9.7 grains of Titegroup with a lead hardcast 240-swc with great results. IF your boolits are not hard enough you may get leading problems with a fast powder like this, mine are so hard I can't scratch them with my fingernail and they fly just fine with that load. I tried AA#9 but for over twice as much powder they weren't any better to me so I stick with Titegroup for everything and I load 90% lead now in all calibers.