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I have a Ruger flattop Blackhawk 44 special.

I have moulds for,
RCBS 44-250-k
RCBS 44-240-swc
Lee 432-265-RF ranchdog


I’m wondering what others do on the low end of special. I’m working on a general plinking load that will be an all around light load.

I’ve been working with bullseye, from 4.0-5.0 grains. 4.6 grains and the lee bullet, will cloverleaf at 15 yards. So far it’s my best lighter load.

All I have in the way of pistol powders is bullseye and unique, and wsf. I have w296,2400,4227, but it is for the other end.

Anyways, I’d like to hear what works for everyone else, even if it’s a powder or bullet I don’t have.


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From left to right, lee ranchdog, RCBS 44-250-k, RCBS 44-240-SWC
 
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image.jpg I would save the Gas Checks for more serious work. I use Unique with Keith and Thompson designs but similar to the 250-k. Unique and like GRIZZ22 mentioned 6 grains.

My most accurate load is using the 429421 Keith 245 SWC with 6.9 Grains of Unique. Advertised as 767 FPS in Lymans 50th. It is also their accuracy load. They are great from my 629 and SBH but a bit stiff from the Bulldog (not fun).
 
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I have a Ruger flattop Blackhawk 44 special.

I have moulds for,
RCBS 44-250-k
RCBS 44-240-swc
Lee 432-265-RF ranchdog


I’m wondering what others do on the low end of special. I’m working on a general plinking load that will be an all around light load.

I’ve been working with bullseye, from 4.0-5.0 grains. 4.6 grains and the lee bullet, will cloverleaf at 15 yards. So far it’s my best lighter load.

All I have in the way of pistol powders is bullseye and unique, and wsf. I have w296,2400,4227, but it is for the other end.

Anyways, I’d like to hear what works for everyone else, even if it’s a powder or bullet I don’t have.


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From left to right, lee ranchdog, RCBS 44-250-k, RCBS 44-240-SWC

An old target load, suggested to me was 5.0 grains Red Dot with a 240 L, it was accurate. Five grains of Bullseye also produced excellent accuracy. However you cannot push bullets much faster with these powders and that is a limitation.

Unique is without a doubt the most versatile powder I have used in the 44 Special. Shoots well with 180’s, 200 L, 240 lead and jacketed. Winchester W231 was excellent, hard to say which is better or more flexible. I am not interesting in bullets heavier than the Keith 429421 245 to 250 gr LSWC. And, I really don’t know what the advantage is with heavier bullets; you should not push pressures to magnum levels in 44 Specials, and the only way to get respectable speeds with the 290’s and 300s, is by being at magnum pressures.

7.5 grains Unique is a very powerful load, pushes a 240 L at 1000 fps, is only appropriate for N frame revolvers and the Ruger Blackhawk. Much too powerful for a Charter Arms Bulldog. In fact factory velocity loads are a surprise in the Bulldog, surprising recoil that is!

Unique gives excellent accuracy from 6 ¼ grains all the way up. When I get tired of recoil I download to 6 ¼ to 6.5 grains. Shoots well.

I tried Universal, supposed to be a copy of Unique, and it did not cluster on target as well. After all the hoopla in the in print press, I was disappointed on what I saw on target with Universal. Can't believe everything you read. Accurate Arms #5 worked well, but I stopped fooling around with other powders and am using Unique.

I shoot outside and am not bothered by powder residue in the air. I shot Unique once in an inside range, in a 45 LC, under bright lights I could see lots of residue. I tried a super low velocity load with Bullseye, and it was inaccurate. Stay at or above 700 fps, the closer to 750 fps the better.

I have posted similar data for two different pistols, one with a 4” barrel the other a 5.5” barrel.

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4" M624 
                                                                            

240 LSWC   5.0 grs Red Dot thrown,  Mixed Brass CCI300           
T = 64 °F         3-Mar-07                                                                 
                                                                                                      
Ave Vel =        714.8                                                                        
Std Dev =        24.35                                                                     
ES =                95.28                                                                     
High                 778.4                                                                       
Low =              683.1                                                                       
Number rds=    19                                                                           

Accurate                                                                         


240 LSWC   5.0 grs Bullseye Lot 6/20/05 Mixed Brass WLP           
T = 64 °F         3-Mar-07                                                                 
                                                                                  
Ave Vel =        763.9                                                                        
Std Dev =        16.18                                                                     
ES =                60.94                                                                     
High =              794.7                                                                       
Low =              733.7                                                                       
N =                  28                                                                           

very accurate, little powder residue                                                                                                    
                                                                                                      
240 LSWC   6.25 grs Unique thrown,  lot UN387(6-21-1993) Mixed Brass WLP
T = 62 °F         25-Feb-07                                                               

Ave Vel =        795.1                                                                        
Std Dev =        23.13                                                                     
ES =                65.05                                                                     
Low =              821                                                                         
High =              756.5                                                                       
N =                  12                                                           

Accurate  
   
 240 LSWC    6.6 grs Unique thrown,  lot UN364 3/9/92 Mixed cases, Brass WLP
T = 70 °F         4-Apr-09                                                                 

Ave Vel =        859.6                                                                        
Std Dev =        21.7                                                                         
ES =                77.85                                                                       
High =              878.4                                                                       
Low=               800                                                                         
N =                  10                                                                           

Reloading manual factory equivalent, shoots great, mild recoil

240 LSWC   7.0 grains Unique,   Midway cases, WLP (brass)        
T= 45-50 °F     15 Dec 2002                                                                          

Ave Vel =                                                  902.8                             
Std Dev =                                                   21.49                             
ES =                                                          81.76                             
Low =                                                         859.8                             
High =                                                        941.6                             
N  =                                                            33                                 

240 LSWC    7.5 grs Unique thrown,  lot UN364 3/9/92 Mixed cases, Brass WLP
T = 70 °F         4-Apr-09                                                                 

Ave Vel =        965.8                                                                        
Std Dev =        23.15                                                                       
ES =                65.28                                                                       
High =              986.3                                                                       
Low=               921                                                                         
N =                  12                                                                           

  Powerful, accurate                                                                                                     


240 JHP  6.5 grs Unique thrown,  Midway Brass WLP                     
T = 64 °F         25-Feb-07                                                               
 
Ave Vel =        791.4                                                                        
Std Dev =        34.78                                                                     
ES =                114.5                                                                     
Low =              845.6                                                                       
High =              731.1                                                                       
N =                  9                  

240 LSWC Valiant 8.5 grs AA#5 Lot 35 590  Mixed Brass WLP                                                  T = 64 °F         3-Mar-07                                             

Ave Vel =       790                                         
Std Dev =        31                                           
ES =    134                                         
High =    846                                         
Low = 712                                         
N =      32                                           

Accurate                               
                                              

240 LSWC Valiant 9.0 grs AA#5 Lot 35 590  Mixed Brass WLP                                                  T = 64 °F         3-Mar-07                                             

Ave Vel = 846                                         
Std Dev = 17                                           
ES =    52                                           
High = 870                                         
Low = 818                                         
N =      10                                           

Very Accurate                                                                      

240 LSWC Valiant 9.5 grs AA#5 Lot 35 590  Mixed Brass WLP                                                
T = 64 °F         3-Mar-07                                             
                                                            
Ave Vel =       901                                         
Std Dev =        14                                           
ES =    42                                           
High =  923                                         
Low = 881                                         
N =      8                                             

Very Accurate, barrel leading                                   

240 LSWC  10.0 grs AA#5 thrown Lot DM Midway cases WLP                                                 
T = 58 ° F        30-Dec-15                                           

Ave Vel =       998                                         
Std Dev =        25                                           
ES =    73                                           
High = 1028                                       
Low=   956                                         
N=  8         

Accurate

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  44 Spl Ruger Blackhawk 5.5"

240 LSWC   6.25 grs Unique thrown, lot 6/21/-98/92 Midway cases, Brass WLP
T ≈  60-65 ° F 19-Apr-09  

Ave Vel = 835.4   
Std Dev = 26.83 
ES = 74.52 
High =  877.5 
Low= 803 
N = 24 

240 LSWC   6.6 grs Unique thrown, lot UN364 3/9/92 Midway cases, Brass WLP
T ≈  60-65 ° F 19-Apr-09  

Ave Vel = 875.4  
Std Dev = 25.94 
ES = 109.6 
High =  914.8 
Low= 805.2 
N = 25 

240 LSWC    7.5 grs Unique thrown,  lot UN364 3/9/92 Midway cases, Brass WLP
T ≈  60-65 ° F 19-Apr-09  

Ave Vel = 1001  
Std Dev = 17.32 
ES = 64.32 
High =  1027 
Low= 963 
N = 27


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The 44 Special is an old cartridge. I did a bit of research on the 44 Russian which was a very early blackpowder round. The Russian came out in 1871 which is before just before the 45 Colt arrived on the market. Without the Russian military we would never have had the 44 Special. Anyway the 44 Russian was a 240 Lead bullet at 750 fps, a bullet weight that was less than the 45 Colt and a velocity less than the 45 Colt. It was however what the Russians wanted and S&W was able to sell 130,000 of them to Russia, I don't know how many to other countries, but the Japanese Navy bought some, so even though the 44 Russian was less powerful than the 45 Colt, sales were good enough. It took Colt till 1900 to make 190,000 Colt SAA's, so in terms of sales, the 44 Russian and the S&W revolver did well for S&W.

In the civilian market, what characteristics S&W emphasized in their sales literature for the 44 Russian were "penetration in wood" and accuracy. If S&W tried to sell the 44 Russian on velocity and bullet weight, it would have been obvious that it was less powerful than the 45 Colt, so the sales department ignored that. Whether that power difference makes any difference in lethality will bring out a lot of pseudo science arguments but no firm resolution one way or another. Something that was measurable was the incredibly good scores target shooters were making with their 44 Russian S&W revolvers. The round was very accurate and S&W stressed that in their mass marketing advertisements.

S&W should have bumped up the pressures and velocities for the 44 Special, maybe they did not want to have to strengthen their current revolver designs, but the smokeless 44 Special pushed the same weight bullet at the same velocity as the 44 Russian. Since bullet weight and velocity are hard numbers, and more means more, I would say the low velocity of the factory 44 Special has always handicapped the round in terms of sales appeal. However, once you start pushing the 240 grain bullet up to 1000 fps, because the round is so close in performance to a 45 Colt, it would be very hard to prove that it is less lethal.
 
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If you can't find a good load with those bullets and Unique, there's something wrong. As WC mentions, save the gas checks for heavier loads.
 
My everyday standard load for my 44spl flattop is a 265gn h&g #503 clone from MP molds, on top of 7.5gn of unique. Haven’t messed much with light loads except with some trailboss once.
 
Anyway the 44 Russian was a 240 Lead bullet at 750 fps, a bullet weight that was less than the 45 Colt and a velocity less than the 45 Colt

My catalogs only go back to 1901 and I have an undated UMC flyer of black powder ammunition.
They show the .44 Russian with a 255 or 256 grain bullet and 23 grains of powder.

Some time or another - before 1937 - the .44s got standardized with 246 gr bullets.

As best I can tell, the 240 gr .44 came about when Remington went for a little extra velocity in the Magnum and used that weight instead of a real Keith 250+ gr SWC.

The .45 Colt was pretty well standard with a 250 or 255 grain bullet, but the US Army reduced the load and later went to the .45 Government based on the .45 S&W that the Schofield boys snookered them with.
Even the 1909 large rim smokeless load for the New Service settled for about 750 fps.
 
My catalogs only go back to 1901 and I have an undated UMC flyer of black powder ammunition.
They show the .44 Russian with a 255 or 256 grain bullet and 23 grains of powder.

Some time or another - before 1937 - the .44s got standardized with 246 gr bullets.

As best I can tell, the 240 gr .44 came about when Remington went for a little extra velocity in the Magnum and used that weight instead of a real Keith 250+ gr SWC.

The .45 Colt was pretty well standard with a 250 or 255 grain bullet, but the US Army reduced the load and later went to the .45 Government based on the .45 S&W that the Schofield boys snookered them with.
Even the 1909 large rim smokeless load for the New Service settled for about 750 fps.

Your are right about the Army velocity for the 45 Colt, as that was what Hatcher has in his books. From what I read, the commercial version was more powerful, and I recall reading a period author claiming the Army round was weak on game. Why the Army kept the low 45 Schofield velocities, and purchased or modified 1873 Colt SAA pistols to shoot to the point of aim with the low velocity round, is not documented.

Manufacturer's were only interested in sales now, and not in history later. So what were the original performance parameters on vintage cartridges are subject to a lot of conjecture and argument due to lack of documentation. It gets to be, history is the lie on which we agree.

I don't know why the 240 LSWC became standard for the 44 caliber, but it could be due to casters saving 10 grains of lead per bullet, and charging the same as for a 250 grain bullet. I shot tens of thousands of Keith bullets and they were accurate and consistent. At the time,Reese Jackson Teague of Valiant bullets was hand casting those bullets, and that took way too much of his time. He was my last supplier of the classic 250 grain Keith. He passed away in 2018, am very sad as he was a great guy and made excellent bullets.
 
Hi...
I have four .44Spl revolvers and shoot them regularly.
I have found that Unique works very well with a commercial cast coated 240gr LSWC.
I load with 6.6gr of Unique for an all around general purpose load for two flat top BlackHawks, a Uberti SAA clone and an adjustable sighted Taurus DA stainless steel revolver.
I bump the load to 7.5gr of Unique with the same bullet for a more powerful load for the two flat top BlackHawks. The Uberti and Taurus never get shot with that load.

FWIW, I never shoot .44Spl cartridges in my .44Magnum revolvers.
 
Thanks for all the replies.

I have loaded the skeeter load, and lesser. 7.0 was a real accurate load with the RCBS 44-250-k out of my gun. My bullets come in at 265 grains.

However that’s not what I’m asking here. I know that is an excellent load and the Blackhawk can handle it.

I have also, an RCBS 44-200-Fn and a lee 429-240-2R, that I’ll be working with, if/when I lap them. They both drop small. I’m excited about the 200 grain bullet, for light loads, and just in general. But it’ll take some work before it’s usable.
 
An old target load, suggested to me was 5.0 grains Red Dot with a 240 L, it was accurate. Five grains of Bullseye also produced excellent accuracy. However you cannot push bullets much faster with these powders and that is a limitation.

Unique is without a doubt the most versatile powder I have used in the 44 Special. Shoots well with 180’s, 200 L, 240 lead and jacketed. Winchester W231 was excellent, hard to say which is better or more flexible. I am not interesting in bullets heavier than the Keith 429421 245 to 250 gr LSWC. And, I really don’t know what the advantage is with heavier bullets; you should not push pressures to magnum levels in 44 Specials, and the only way to get respectable speeds with the 290’s and 300s, is by being at magnum pressures.

7.5 grains Unique is a very powerful load, pushes a 240 L at 1000 fps, is only appropriate for N frame revolvers and the Ruger Blackhawk. Much too powerful for a Charter Arms Bulldog. In fact factory velocity loads are a surprise in the Bulldog, surprising recoil that is!

Unique gives excellent accuracy from 6 ¼ grains all the way up. When I get tired of recoil I download to 6 ¼ to 6.5 grains. Shoots well.

I tried Universal, supposed to be a copy of Unique, and it did not cluster on target as well. After all the hoopla in the in print press, I was disappointed on what I saw on target with Universal. Can't believe everything you read. Accurate Arms #5 worked well, but I stopped fooling around with other powders and am using Unique.

I shoot outside and am not bothered by powder residue in the air. I shot Unique once in an inside range, in a 45 LC, under bright lights I could see lots of residue. I tried a super low velocity load with Bullseye, and it was inaccurate. Stay at or above 700 fps, the closer to 750 fps the better.

I have posted similar data for two different pistols, one with a 4” barrel the other a 5.5” barrel.

Code:
4" M624
                                                                           

240 LSWC   5.0 grs Red Dot thrown,  Mixed Brass CCI300          
T = 64 °F         3-Mar-07                                                                
                                                                                                     
Ave Vel =        714.8                                                                       
Std Dev =        24.35                                                                    
ES =                95.28                                                                    
High                 778.4                                                                      
Low =              683.1                                                                      
Number rds=    19                                                                          

Accurate                                                                        


240 LSWC   5.0 grs Bullseye Lot 6/20/05 Mixed Brass WLP          
T = 64 °F         3-Mar-07                                                                
                                                                                 
Ave Vel =        763.9                                                                       
Std Dev =        16.18                                                                    
ES =                60.94                                                                    
High =              794.7                                                                      
Low =              733.7                                                                      
N =                  28                                                                          

very accurate, little powder residue                                                                                                   
                                                                                                     
240 LSWC   6.25 grs Unique thrown,  lot UN387(6-21-1993) Mixed Brass WLP
T = 62 °F         25-Feb-07                                                              

Ave Vel =        795.1                                                                       
Std Dev =        23.13                                                                    
ES =                65.05                                                                    
Low =              821                                                                        
High =              756.5                                                                      
N =                  12                                                          

Accurate 
  
 240 LSWC    6.6 grs Unique thrown,  lot UN364 3/9/92 Mixed cases, Brass WLP
T = 70 °F         4-Apr-09                                                                

Ave Vel =        859.6                                                                       
Std Dev =        21.7                                                                        
ES =                77.85                                                                      
High =              878.4                                                                      
Low=               800                                                                        
N =                  10                                                                          

Reloading manual factory equivalent, shoots great, mild recoil

240 LSWC   7.0 grains Unique,   Midway cases, WLP (brass)       
T= 45-50 °F     15 Dec 2002                                                                         

Ave Vel =                                                  902.8                            
Std Dev =                                                   21.49                            
ES =                                                          81.76                            
Low =                                                         859.8                            
High =                                                        941.6                            
N  =                                                            33                                

240 LSWC    7.5 grs Unique thrown,  lot UN364 3/9/92 Mixed cases, Brass WLP
T = 70 °F         4-Apr-09                                                                

Ave Vel =        965.8                                                                       
Std Dev =        23.15                                                                      
ES =                65.28                                                                      
High =              986.3                                                                      
Low=               921                                                                        
N =                  12                                                                          

  Powerful, accurate                                                                                                    


240 JHP  6.5 grs Unique thrown,  Midway Brass WLP                    
T = 64 °F         25-Feb-07                                                              
 
Ave Vel =        791.4                                                                       
Std Dev =        34.78                                                                    
ES =                114.5                                                                    
Low =              845.6                                                                      
High =              731.1                                                                      
N =                  9                 

240 LSWC Valiant 8.5 grs AA#5 Lot 35 590  Mixed Brass WLP                                                  T = 64 °F         3-Mar-07                                            

Ave Vel =       790                                        
Std Dev =        31                                          
ES =    134                                        
High =    846                                        
Low = 712                                        
N =      32                                          

Accurate                              
                                             

240 LSWC Valiant 9.0 grs AA#5 Lot 35 590  Mixed Brass WLP                                                  T = 64 °F         3-Mar-07                                            

Ave Vel = 846                                        
Std Dev = 17                                          
ES =    52                                          
High = 870                                        
Low = 818                                        
N =      10                                          

Very Accurate                                                                     

240 LSWC Valiant 9.5 grs AA#5 Lot 35 590  Mixed Brass WLP                                               
T = 64 °F         3-Mar-07                                            
                                                           
Ave Vel =       901                                        
Std Dev =        14                                          
ES =    42                                          
High =  923                                        
Low = 881                                        
N =      8                                            

Very Accurate, barrel leading                                  

240 LSWC  10.0 grs AA#5 thrown Lot DM Midway cases WLP                                                
T = 58 ° F        30-Dec-15                                          

Ave Vel =       998                                        
Std Dev =        25                                          
ES =    73                                          
High = 1028                                      
Low=   956                                        
N=  8        

Accurate

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  44 Spl Ruger Blackhawk 5.5"

240 LSWC   6.25 grs Unique thrown, lot 6/21/-98/92 Midway cases, Brass WLP
T ≈  60-65 ° F 19-Apr-09 

Ave Vel = 835.4  
Std Dev = 26.83
ES = 74.52
High =  877.5
Low= 803
N = 24

240 LSWC   6.6 grs Unique thrown, lot UN364 3/9/92 Midway cases, Brass WLP
T ≈  60-65 ° F 19-Apr-09 

Ave Vel = 875.4 
Std Dev = 25.94
ES = 109.6
High =  914.8
Low= 805.2
N = 25

240 LSWC    7.5 grs Unique thrown,  lot UN364 3/9/92 Midway cases, Brass WLP
T ≈  60-65 ° F 19-Apr-09 

Ave Vel = 1001 
Std Dev = 17.32
ES = 64.32
High =  1027
Low= 963
N = 27


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The 44 Special is an old cartridge. I did a bit of research on the 44 Russian which was a very early blackpowder round. The Russian came out in 1871 which is before just before the 45 Colt arrived on the market. Without the Russian military we would never have had the 44 Special. Anyway the 44 Russian was a 240 Lead bullet at 750 fps, a bullet weight that was less than the 45 Colt and a velocity less than the 45 Colt. It was however what the Russians wanted and S&W was able to sell 130,000 of them to Russia, I don't know how many to other countries, but the Japanese Navy bought some, so even though the 44 Russian was less powerful than the 45 Colt, sales were good enough. It took Colt till 1900 to make 190,000 Colt SAA's, so in terms of sales, the 44 Russian and the S&W revolver did well for S&W.

In the civilian market, what characteristics S&W emphasized in their sales literature for the 44 Russian were "penetration in wood" and accuracy. If S&W tried to sell the 44 Russian on velocity and bullet weight, it would have been obvious that it was less powerful than the 45 Colt, so the sales department ignored that. Whether that power difference makes any difference in lethality will bring out a lot of pseudo science arguments but no firm resolution one way or another. Something that was measurable was the incredibly good scores target shooters were making with their 44 Russian S&W revolvers. The round was very accurate and S&W stressed that in their mass marketing advertisements.

S&W should have bumped up the pressures and velocities for the 44 Special, maybe they did not want to have to strengthen their current revolver designs, but the smokeless 44 Special pushed the same weight bullet at the same velocity as the 44 Russian. Since bullet weight and velocity are hard numbers, and more means more, I would say the low velocity of the factory 44 Special has always handicapped the round in terms of sales appeal. However, once you start pushing the 240 grain bullet up to 1000 fps, because the round is so close in performance to a 45 Colt, it would be very hard to prove that it is less lethal.

Thank you for sharing. I have done some research on the 44 Russian and early special. It is quite interesting.

I seen in your data, there is an aa5 load that is noted "leading". Did all of them lead, or just that one?

I must say, that is a beautiful 624. N frames are the best looking smiths to my eye.
 
I like 231, but I am out.


You asked::)

Just use UNIQUE. other powders will not produce magic.

Anyways, I’d like to hear what works for everyone else, even if it’s a powder or bullet I don’t have
 
You asked::)

Just use UNIQUE. other powders will not produce magic.

Anyways, I’d like to hear what works for everyone else, even if it’s a powder or bullet I don’t have

I didn’t mean to infer I wasn’t interested in exploring w231 loads. More that I’m interested in finding more 231.
 
Thank you for sharing. I have done some research on the 44 Russian and early special. It is quite interesting.

I seen in your data, there is an aa5 load that is noted "leading". Did all of them lead, or just that one?

I must say, that is a beautiful 624. N frames are the best looking smiths to my eye.

That is the load level I noticed leading. And as I went up in charge weight, the leading did not go away. And I did not clean the barrel to find if the higher charges did or did not lead, I just assume they do. Leading is weird. Blue Dot leads in non magnum loads. Not as badly when at magnum velocities. I don't like Blue Dot as it is not flexible.

I purchased that M624 new, and at a great price. The dealer said that stocking N frame 44 Specials was the worst mistake he had made, as no one wanted them. Buyers wanted 44 Magnums which would shoot both 44 Specials and 44 Magnums. Needless to say, at the prices the dealer was selling the things, I stocked up

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Got one of these later, wanted the four inch version, but settled

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Now I look at the prices and get the dry heaves. I can't afford anything I have!
 
My 44 SPL pet load for any cast or coated cast 240 is 4.5 grains of Titegroup. Easy on the gun (Bulldog safe), pleasant shooting. About 760 fps out of a 7.5 Blackhawk, little bit faster out of a Henry lever gun. Once fired brass produces an SD of 7 out of the revolver, and 4 out of the Henry across 10 shot strings with Rusky primers.
 
Titegroup is likely to be added to my powder stash as it's been more available. I've used it before too and it was a decent powder.


Bullseye, well I got a keg of it. So that's one reason I'm wanting to work some good loads up with it. It's a versatile and reliable powder.
 
Titegroup is likely to be added to my powder stash as it's been more available. I've used it before too and it was a decent powder.


Bullseye, well I got a keg of it. So that's one reason I'm wanting to work some good loads up with it. It's a versatile and reliable powder.

When Bullseye powder became impossible to find during our Iraq and Afghanistan Infinity Wars, a lot of Bullseye Pistol competitor's walked to Titegroup. It is a great target powder. When I asked bud's what charges to use, at least for the 45 ACP, they say, same charge weight as Bullseye powder.
 
I enjoying shooting 200 gr solid base wadcutters in my 44 Special revolvers. I like the heavy, slow moving bullet that cuts a clean hole in a paper target.

Currently, I'm using 700-X powder as I have a fair amount on hand for 230 gr RN 45 ACP ammunition. Unique, W231/HP-38, and Accurate #5 would be good choices as well. Accurate #2 would probably also work well but I have limited experience with it.

I have a SAECO mould to cast the wadcutters.

I've loaded and shot some 240 grain semi-wadcutters in my 44 Specials with good success.

The only S&W Model 24 that I have is from the recent Classic series. Original Model 24's are few and far between. Model 624's are more available and easier to find than an early Model 24.

I shoot only 44 Special level loads in my 44 Magnum revolvers but these are loaded in 44 Magnum cases. I just enjoy shooting the revolvers, I do not need wrist snapping recoil anymore.
 
Your are right about the Army velocity for the 45 Colt, as that was what Hatcher has in his books. From what I read, the commercial version was more powerful, and I recall reading a period author claiming the Army round was weak on game. Why the Army kept the low 45 Schofield velocities, and purchased or modified 1873 Colt SAA pistols to shoot to the point of aim with the low velocity round, is not documented.

Manufacturer's were only interested in sales now, and not in history later. So what were the original performance parameters on vintage cartridges are subject to a lot of conjecture and argument due to lack of documentation. It gets to be, history is the lie on which we agree.

I don't know why the 240 LSWC became standard for the 44 caliber, but it could be due to casters saving 10 grains of lead per bullet, and charging the same as for a 250 grain bullet. I shot tens of thousands of Keith bullets and they were accurate and consistent. At the time,Reese Jackson Teague of Valiant bullets was hand casting those bullets, and that took way too much of his time. He was my last supplier of the classic 250 grain Keith. He passed away in 2018, am very sad as he was a great guy and made excellent bullets.
Not quite the same but, Stateline is casting the original H&G #503 LSWC bullet in 245gr. sized to .431" and GT Bullets has their version of H&G #503 in LSWCHP at 250gr. sized to .432", .430" or .429" - I like both for different reasons. The Stateline's a little hard - which I like - and the GT's a little soft - which I also like. I just checked and Stateline is out of stock on all of their .44's and GT is backlogged a month but both still list their version of that bullet. Hope this helps.
 
I found a couple good loads over the past few weeks.

5.5 unique, CCI 300, with either the lee 432-265-RF or the RCBS 44-240-SWC.

The first success I've had with the rcbs bullet. I got around a 2" group at 15 yards. I wasn't having the best hand and eye day. But I was previously getting 4" groups with the bullet so, it is an improvement. I've loaded more for further evaluation.

I did some testing with the Keith bullet at 5.5-7.0 grains unique and got leading with 50/50 ww/Pb alloy. Increasing leading with increasing pressure. So I'm going to try wheel weight alloy next with it. But I'm hoping about 4-4.5 grains bullseye will do good with it and the softer alloy.
 
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Currently, I'm using 700-X powder as I have a fair amount on hand
700X is great with lead in the .44 Spl, I need to try it with some coated lead, I bet it does great. W-231 did very well too (I had very limited powders back then), but 700X was a little better accuracy wise, whether it was a Magnus 215 or 240 Gr SWC, or my own cast (Lee mold) 208 Gr WC.

I really liked the 215 Gr SWC for an all around load.
 

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700X is great with lead in the .44 Spl, I need to try it with some coated lead, I bet it does great. W-231 did very well too (I had very limited powders back then), but 700X was a little better accuracy wise, whether it was a Magnus 215 or 240 Gr SWC, or my own cast (Lee mold) 208 Gr WC.

I really liked the 215 Gr SWC for an all around load.

I've been loading mostly powder coated wadcutters, SAECO #944 200 grain WC bullets with 700-X in the 44 Special. Works great.
 
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