AJC1
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If one were to try pig hunting, is regular cast boolts plenty? It's not like the cartridge generates tons of speed for advanced bullet performance.
I had zero plan to go that fast... more like lever gun start loads 1200 ish with a 405.A 45/70 with a 350-grain bullet typically comes out at 1700 fps +. It will kill a deer, moose, bear and will put a hog down.
Big piles of Buffalo robes can't be wrong
The typical “buffalo gun,” therefore, was a heavy barreled single-shot rifle, chambered for large bore, long cartridges (such as 44-77, 45-70, 45-120-550, 45 3-1/4″, and 50-90).
.45-70 Government
By far the best known of the buffalo cartridges used on the western frontier was the illustrious .45-70 Government. Still popular today, the .45-70 was introduced in 1873 and was the U.S. Army's standard service cartridge from that time until it was officially replaced by the .30-40 Krag in 1892. The .45-70 actually continued in military service with reserve and militia units well into the early 1900's.
In the very early buffalo days, the firearms used were usually Sharps rifles of .45-70 caliber, but these rifles were slow in effect and it sometimes took several shots to reach the vital spot, and larger guns came into use. With these guns the report would be heard several seconds before the mark was hit. The guns in use were .45-70, .45-90 and .45-105, and the last one used in the buffalo days was a [Sharps that shot a] .50 [caliber] -180 [grain bullet], weighing twenty-one pounds. This last gun was the most effective of any of the guns used.
1876 The estimated three to four million bison of the southern plains were now dead. The Northern Pacific Railroad, anxious to advance, ignored tribal treaties and sent in a survey party. Native Americans killed some of the men, and General George Custer was sent to investigate, making history with the Battle at Little Big Horn.
1880 Slaughter of the northern herd had begun. New Mexico passed a law to protect the bison; unfortunately, the bison were already gone from this state.
1881 This year’s winter marked the largest slaughter of the northern herd. One county in Montana shipped 180,000 buffalo skins. Robes brought $2.50 to $4.00 each. Around this time, the Glidden and the Dupree herds (of the Dakotas) were established.
1882 Over 10,000 bison were taken during one hunt of a few days length in Dakota Territory in September.
The fate of the northern herd had been determined. A herd appeared on the northern side of the Yellowstone where a high plateau overlooked Miles City and Fort Keogh in the valley below. Fifth Infantrymen sent from the post killed so many animals that their meat filled a half-dozen four-mule team wagons. General Hugh Scott remembered that soldiers had no trouble keeping a six-mule team wagon carrying fresh buffalo meat into Fort Meade “all the time,” early in 1883. Hunters thought that the bison had moved north to Canada, but they hadn’t. They had simply been eliminated.
In the winter of 1876-77 an estimated 1,500 hunters were shooting buffaloes on the Texas plains, and by early spring Fort Griffin had about four acres filled with piles of hides waiting for the wagon trains to haul them to Fort Worth. In the latter town, one morning in May, 1877, a reporter noted a caravan of ten wagons coming in. “In front were eleven yoke of oxen driven by one man and dragging after them four large wagons, heavily laden. Two other teams, with seven yoke each, drawing three wagons, followed. There probably were 2,500 to 3,000 hides in the train.”
In the same spring another Fort Worth observer was impressed with one lot of 60,000 hides piled high on a platform near the Texas and Pacific Railroad. During the season, Fort Griffin sent in about 200,000 hides, which brought the hunters about a dollar each. But the peak of the slaughter had passed, and the end was in sight. The hunters had broken up the great southern herd, leaving only scattered remnants.
In the winter of 1877-78 the skinners took more than 100,000 hides in Texas. This virtually wiped out the southern herd. The only noteworthy commercial hunting left was that in the northern plains in the early 1880’s.
That was a starting load for my Henry 45/70I had zero plan to go that fast... more like lever gun start loads 1200 ish with a 405.
HODGDON | H4895 | 53.0-59.0 | LRP | 1784-2045 |
Any 45-70 load from Springfields will work... I'm going to start at the bottom and see what junior can handle....That was a starting load for my Henry 45/70
HODGDON H4895 53.0-59.0 LRP 1784-2045
This is the lightest load I can find.Any 45-70 load from Springfields will work... I'm going to start at the bottom and see what junior can handle....
ACCURATE | LT32 | 38.4-41.8 | LRP | 1473-1752 |
Look in the Lyman cast manual.This is the lightest load I can find.
ACCURATE LT32 38.4-41.8 LRP 1473-1752
Let me clarify this load is for modern lever actions.Look in the Lyman cast manual.
I agree but all loads listed are good except those for #1,3 ruger only. One can use from start of Springfield to max of lever action and all in between. The gaps in the book loads with the same bullet and powder are still good.Let me clarify this load is for modern lever actions.
The attached link is for the shooters reference page one of the best places for hand loading.I agree but all loads listed are good except those for #1,3 ruger only. One can use from start of Springfield to max of lever action and all in between. The gaps in the book loads with the same bullet and powder are still good.
Some good references Chuck, though somewhat "vague" ? and kind of written for mass-consumption. ?? But good job for listing those.From the Buffalo Bill center:
What Makes It a "Buffalo Gun"? - Points West Online
What Makes It a Buffalo Gun? Originally published in Spring 1995 in "Points West," the magazine of the Buffalo Bill Center of the West in Cody, Wyoming.centerofthewest.org
Chuck Hawks:
Section 1: Bison Hunting | 8th Grade North Dakota Studies
www.ndstudies.gov
Actual timeline of Bison:
Bison Timeline
Bison Timeline As I research bison history, from Newspapers.com, Journals, and Books. The First Bison Sightings by Explorers and the lastallaboutbison.com
This shows Bison hunting was still going strong into the 1878 for tyhe southern herd:
How They Killed The Buffalo
In the mid-Ninteenth Century, enormous herds roamed the western plains. In a few years only scattered remnants of these survived.www.americanheritage.com
Some good references Chuck, though somewhat "vague" ? and kind of written for mass-consumption. ?? But good job for listing those.