45-70 range

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is the range of a off the wall 45-70 only about 100-150 yards MAX.
iv been reading about this and most ppl that hunt with this round i head keep it out to 120 at the most.

is this true?? and i dont mean the guy that can rainbow it out there and hit a barn at 300 yards im taking hog stopping power and accuracy range.
 
I've seen an old-timer hitting silhouette of a ram at 300 yards, and he didn't miss even once most of the shots stayed within 8 - 10 " o yeah he used black powder loads, o yeah no optics just iron pip sights...
 
With a scope, I'd say you can shoot as far as you can effectively view your target, and retain it within your field of view. The old military rifles used flip-up 800 yd. sights. The bullet is slow moving, but heavy, and will stabilize to that range with a proper load.

If you are a true marksman, a 400 yard shot on an Elk is not unreasonable.
 
They used to use 45-70 to shoot buffaloes at 500 yards or more - then again, they weren't using a 20" Marlin lever action.........

A 405 grain bullet will kill a hog if you do your part. The 45-70 does have a wee bit of a rainbow arc at distance, but with practice can easily be a minimum 200 yard rifle
 
It depends on how its loaded...

300 grain bullet at 1800 fps is a 200 yard load.
300 grain bullet at 2300+ fps is a 300 yard load.

405 grain bullet at 1300 fps is a 150 yard load.
405 grain bullet at 1900 fps is a 250 yard load. (can be effective at MUCH, MUCH longer ranges...depending on the person pulling the trigger)
 
I have a Marlin 1895 guide gun with a Burris Timberline 2x-7x Ballistic-Plex reticle. The crosshairs are zeroed about 1 1/2 inches high at 100yds. The second aiming point down is dead on at 200yds with Hornady Leverevolution 325 grain factory loads. There is one aiming point, and the tip of the thick crosshair, below the 200 yd zero aiming point left unused as of yet. I'm almost certain that these would work out well for 250 & 300 yds with a little practice. I'm limited to 200 yds on my local range and haven't been able to put them to the test. I did neck shoot a Doe Whitetail with it at about 80 yds this past season. It's first and only kill as of yet. I'm sure I could "Head Shoot" a hog at 200 if he held still long enough. Realistically I think it could easily be a 300 yd gun for the average shooter. And probably twice that for those more determined.
 
405 grain bullet at 1300 fps is a 150 yard load.

Not hardly. It's effective farther out than you'd want to use it, with a solid bullet.

For one thing, modern rules of thumb about required energy, based on fast, small, light, expanding spitzers, hold no water with a large, non-expanding, heavy solid. Since you are not burning up energy and velocity on expansion, a heavy bullet poking along at 1000 fps will have the momentum to travel through one buffalo and kill another, if they're standing in a line. I could not tell the entrance from the exit when I used a .45-70 RNL on a buffalo at 80 yards (black powder cartridge). It really works more like an arrow than a modern bullet (this was a 520 grain Lyman Postel).

The reason we use those fast, small, light spitzer bullets nowadays is obvious, though, when you shoot a .45-70. The trajectory is so far from flat, that you can literally miss a buffalo at 200 yards, if you're sighted in at 100 and don't aim high enough. The drop at 200 is about 2 1/2 FEET when you're sighted in at 100. The old buffalo hunters used to know their trajectories well, and were experts at estimating range.:)

I've seen an old-timer hitting silhouette of a ram at 300 yards, and he didn't miss even once most of the shots stayed within 8 - 10 " o yeah he used black powder loads, o yeah no optics just iron pip sights...

The top shooters can do that at 1000. It takes them about 8 hours to load 40 rounds, though. Everything has to be PERFECT.:)

If you are a true marksman, a 400 yard shot on an Elk is not unreasonable.

A true marksman with practice, at range, with that particular type of cartridge can certainly do that.
 
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I know that AB...but I was trying to simplify it for the guys that are looking at it strictly from a stand point based on trajectory. (which is a waste of all the beauty of the 45-70)

I just did a rough guesstimate based on an 8 inch kill zone.
 
I believe the US army tested the .45-70 at 3200 yards. 70 grains of BP under a 500 grain bullet. Accuracy wasnt great, but the bullets did go through 3 inches of wood and bury themseleves about 8 inches deep in the sand. This was in the days before smokeless.

I have one, but wont get to shoot it until Saturday. Loading up a few BP cartridges to test. :D:D:D
 
I get similar results to Chas 08. My Guide Gun prints 2" high at 100 and 2" low at 180. My 350 grain bullet load chronyd 1962 fps average.
 
"After the Sandy Hook tests of 1879, a new variation of the .45-70 cartridge was produced, the .45-70-500, which fired a heavier 500 grain (32.5 g) bullet. The heavier 500-grain (32 g) bullet produced significantly superior ballistics, and could reach ranges of 3,500 yards (3200 m), which were beyond the maximum range of the .45-70-405. While the effective range of the .45-70 on individual targets was limited to about 1,000 yards (915 m) with either load, the heavier bullet would produce lethal injuries at 3,500 yards (3,200 m)."

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Had my Marlin 1895 Cowboy out a few weeks ago. Had no problem hitting the 400 yard dinger (32" high, 20" wide). The rear sight was set on the top notch of the elevator ramp and I could take a dead on hold. Hit it 9 out of 10 times.

Later I took on a stump at 560 yards. Took me 2 shots to get on it - hold over, walked it in - but then hit it three times in a row.

The load: 405 grain Oregon Trail cast bullet over enough SR 4759 to get me 1400 fps.

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This is what the dinger looked like on one of our trips out to repaint it. We had a great time burning up dozens of rounds in our 45-70s, 32-40 (Marlin 1893 made 114 years ago) and Marlin 336 Cowboy in 30-30

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The firing line was (way) down there in front of the shop.


This is some video of my pard ringing the dinger with his 32-40 at 400 yards
 
As indicated, it's effective RANGE is a couple thousand yards.

It's effective PRACTICAL RANGE depends upon how well you know your holdovers and how well you can range things. But as for a point n click, no holdover, it's range is limited to around 150 yards give or take, for deer sized game.
 
I would say with most modern loads their pretty flat shooting...

What ar eyou gonna be using it for?

Buffalo bore makes a 300 grainer at 2350 ft/sec out of 18.5" barrel, 400 grainer at 2000fps, and 430 at 1925 all out of 18" barrels. Shooting a 430 grain bullet at 2000fps is a lot of power and that will shoot flat... don't expect .300wsm performance of .24" groups at 800 yards lol, but .45-70 is not a sniper round its a close range (200yds or closer) knockdown power gun. Even with modern ammo like buffalo bore I wouldn't even waste my time shooting in excess of 75 or 100 yards because it defeats the purpose of it. If you wanna shoot long ranges get bolt rifle with a nice pointy bullet.

If you have a marlin or modern .45-70 don't buy the down-loaded factory remington 405's or 300 grainers, they down load them so people don't hurt themselves shooting something too powerful out of antique firearms
 
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