tommy.duncan
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I have a SRH in 454c and wish I could afford a lever rifle to match (That I could afford).
454 the most versatile 45 caliber
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AJC1
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Yeah those bighorns are a little out of reach...
tommy.duncan
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I would love one but I spend my $$$ on new 10mm pistols. LOL!!Yeah those bighorns are a little out of reach...
Those bighorns are more than my first 3 or four cars put together. lol
This is a great idea. I have a S&W 460XVR and an Encore rifle. I need to get a 460 barrel for the Encore.
Besides full power loads, I have a hot 45 Cotl load in a 460 case for plinking.
Being able to shoot 454 Casull if necessary is a plus.
LV Gun
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I have that same gun yours look like the target gray one which is what mine is . It was my father in law’s he gave it to me before he passed away along with his S&W 629 Classic Power Port 44 magnum and his Magnum Research BFR in 45/70 . He loved that SRH in 454 casull and always shot it at an indoor range he always drew a crowd.
Charlie98
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Or.... gads... 1:38" I traded for a Marlin 1894 in .45 Colt, and only found out through trial and error... like shotgun pattern error... that the lazy rifling wouldn't stabilize heavy bullets at lower (Unique) velocities. My H&R Classic Hunter has no problem there... although it's barrel twist escapes me at the moment.
Dang it... now you guys have me pondering punching the H&R out to .454.... like I need another cartridge to feed...
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AJC1
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460 chambering seems the solution for some manufacturers.... the difference between 454/45c to 460 is way more than 38 to 357. Would you buy a 357 max to shoot only 357 mag? Seems like carbon ring city. Because I already own a 45c I would be very reluctant to run high pressure 45c loads, in the opposing ideology with my 38-44 projects that don't bother me because I haven't and don't plan on running a 38 only. I've gone to significant lengths to make sure my son understands the pressure and my labels...
earlthegoat2
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Mine measures 1:16. It’s like they just used the pistol barrels cut at rifle length. I wish everyone would do that for 45 Colt and 44 mag rifles.
I have a Browning 1885 in 454 Casull on the way. I’ll have to measure that when it comes in.
Jim Watson
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Browning/Winchester (Miroku) made some .454 "Low Walls" which would give you a stout and uncommon single shot carbine. They chambered those for several Real Rifle rounds, too; their redesign and "modern materials" let the low wall receiver handle them. They didn't sell real well, BPCR guru Dan Theodore would get a .243 or such on closeout and rebarrel it to a BP cartridge.
Charlie98
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Marlin always seemed to have a pretty good recipe for it's rifles, how or why they wound up cutting the .45 Colts at 1:38" I'll never know... it simply doesn't make sense.
Pedersoli made a single run of 1885 HiWalls in .348WCF... it's one of my Unobtanium Guns on the list. I've only seen one on GB, and I was in the middle of getting a 1885 in .45-70 at the time... so I, sadly, had to let it pass.
earlthegoat2
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The 450 Bushmaster does very much the same thing as the 454 in a rifle. It is a slightly more versatile cartridge IMO as well since it can be chambered in ARs, Bolt Actions, Single Shots, and in full custom lever actions like this one on GB right now.
The 450 BM is a lower pressure cartridge as well but can be hot loaded for the stronger actions like all the bolt actions it is chambered in as well as the Ruger No 1. I really should have gotten one of the stainless Ruger No 1 450 BMs when they were available for $899 from CDNN. The 1:10 twist rate sort of confused me though.
The Browning 1885 454 Casull I am getting is a high wall. It is also a full 28" rifle with octagon barrel and "traditional" semi buckhorn sights. My 270 1885 is octagon barrel but no sights.
Browning/Winchester/Miroku also made a "Traditional Hunter" model with a shorter barrel chambered in 45-70, 38-55, and possibly also 40-65....maybe a few others. They also had traditional sights and octagon barrel. Pretty cool run of guns really.
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The 450 BM is a lower pressure cartridge as well but can be hot loaded for the stronger actions like all the bolt actions it is chambered in as well as the Ruger No 1. I really should have gotten one of the stainless Ruger No 1 450 BMs when they were available for $899 from CDNN. The 1:10 twist rate sort of confused me though.
The Browning 1885 454 Casull I am getting is a high wall. It is also a full 28" rifle with octagon barrel and "traditional" semi buckhorn sights. My 270 1885 is octagon barrel but no sights.
Browning/Winchester/Miroku also made a "Traditional Hunter" model with a shorter barrel chambered in 45-70, 38-55, and possibly also 40-65....maybe a few others. They also had traditional sights and octagon barrel. Pretty cool run of guns really.
CraigC
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Pretty sure the .454's were high walls. They'd have to be, the cartridge proofs at over 90,000psi.
Jim Watson
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Darned if they weren't. They were putting .243 and .308 in low walls, I made a rash assumption.
On the secondary market around $1500.
On the secondary market around $1500.
CraigC
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I remember thinking I wanted one until I found out they were high walls and pretty hefty.
earlthegoat2
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Yeah, they are bricks.
The Ruger No 1 is about a pound lighter in their Tropical configuration which is a significant reason to get the No 1 over the 1885. So if you were to compare apples to pears, a Ruger No. 1 in 460 S&W vs a Browning 1885 in 454 Casull, the Ruger would have more raw power, be lighter, and maybe less accurate but more expensive to buy these days at a price point of 2000-2500. The 1885 454 would still have significant power, almost uncomfortably heavy, maybe more accurate, but significantly less expensive of 1500-2000. (I got mine for right at 1500 shipped and transferred)
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AJC1
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I can't imagine a matching pistol in 450bm... but alas it's not a pistol caliber so couldn't be used in pistol caliber matches so basically not at all useful for my needs.
CraigC
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I'm real leery of the .450 in a tube-fed levergun. The cartridge headspaces on the case mouth and it takes very little effort to push the bullet down into the case. I sacrificed a Hornady factory load by giving it just a couple light taps with a two faced gunsmithing hammer (very small hammer) and it moved the bullet far enough to be a definite issue. I brought up this concern to a gunsmith who posted one he built on Facebook and he quickly got his panties in a wad.
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AJC1
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That case won't bode well with my highly refined monster roll crimpI'm real leery of the .450 in a tube-fed levergun. The cartridge headspaces on the case mouth and it takes very little effort to push the bullet down into the case. I sacrificed a Hornady factory load by giving it just a couple light taps with a two faced gunsmithing hammer (very small hammer) and it moved the bullet far enough to be a definite issue. I brought up this concern to a gunsmith who posted one he built on Facebook and he quickly got his panties in a wad.
Roverguy
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The H&R 45 Colt barrels are 1:16; throws some 325 grs very well and, at 454 velocities, they go some way. It’s not a hard job.
Charlie98
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I've only gone up to 270grn with it, so far, and it doesn't seem to care what I feed it. 1:16" explains why.
Ohen Cepel
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Big .454 fan, I think it is hard to beat in a revolver. 460 gets to a size which doesn't interest me.
Many things can/will work, but if you're getting to those fine lines you need to find the one which works for you.
Many things can/will work, but if you're getting to those fine lines you need to find the one which works for you.
huntersdog
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Also the 44 Colt will flame cut chamber where the 454 case would usually be. A stiff 454 will rattle your fillings.
Charlie98
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...and that's really the crux of the matter. As soon as you jump to the X-frame, or... Heaven forbid... the .45-70 in the BFR or whatever, you've entered an entirely new level of want over need, practicality over necessity. And then there is the recoil issue.
Ks5shooter
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Want a 454C to go with my Ruger Alaskan 454C .....maybe someday.
